I appreciate the apology - thank you.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 at 14:26, JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ <
josedaniel.garcia_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> I apologize if I misunderstood.
>
> Add "In my opinion" to all my statements, too.
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 3:22 PM Oliver Rosten <
> oliver.rosten_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> About teaching approaches, there are many. Do not assume that your
>>> approach (or may approach) is the only one.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure where you got the impression that I've made this assumption.
>> What I wrote was liberally qualified with things like "I think" and "In my
>> opinion"
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 at 14:18, JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ <
>> josedaniel.garcia_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a tiny detail.
>>>
>>> The one who writes the contract might have not any control at all about
>>> whether observe is used or not with that contract.
>>>
>>> About teaching approaches, there are many. Do not assume that your
>>> approach (or may approach) is the only one.
>>>
>>> For what is worth I also do a lot of teaching both at University level
>>> and In-company training in different domains. I do not know if 25 years of
>>> teaching qualify as huge, or not.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 3:12 PM Oliver Rosten <
>>> oliver.rosten_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As someone who does a huge amount of teaching, I'm not sure I share the
>>>> concerns about the teachability of Observe.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I think the zeroth order teaching concern is getting people to
>>>> understand that (in my opinion) Contracts as a whole are a tool to be used
>>>> judiciously.
>>>>
>>>> If you're thinking of using Contracts without ever having thought
>>>> propeply about whether your functions have wide or narrow contracts (plenty
>>>> never have, in my experience) don't start rolling it out across your code
>>>> base.
>>>>
>>>> If you have given this thought before, or start thinking about it, then
>>>> work out where contracts are appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Treat Observe as an expert-level feature. Only consider using it when
>>>> you have some confidence that you know what you're doing.
>>>>
>>>> In a different, but related thread, Louis gave a great example of how
>>>> to use Observe effectively when you have the expertise to do so.
>>>>
>>>> O.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 at 13:53, JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ via SG21 <
>>>> sg21_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some degree of consensus does not prevent problems arising in
>>>>> production code.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 2:00 PM René Ferdinand Rivera Morell <
>>>>> grafikrobot_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 6:37 AM JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ via SG15 <
>>>>>> sg15_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About concern 10 (aka ES-047), please note that saying we discussed
>>>>>>> this before does not solve the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows that the choice was made by consensus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -- René Ferdinand Rivera Morell
>>>>>> -- Don't Assume Anything -- No Supongas Nada
>>>>>> -- Robot Dreams - http://robot-dreams.net
>>>>>>
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