On 18 Jul 2025 02:32, Oliver Hunt via Std-Proposals wrote:
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>> On Jul 17, 2025, at 4:09 PM, Frederick Virchanza Gotham via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
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>> I need to be very clear about something here -- not for a legal reason
>> but more for a personal moral reason. If any of you wrote papers and
>> uploaded them to your own personal webspace (like I have a few times),
>> then I'd just leave them alone. They belong to you and I'm not going
>> to go plundering other people's personal webspace. I am only dealing
>> with papers that have been emailed to Nevin Lieber in order to get a
>> document number and to enter the queue to be voted on. So if you've
>> submitted a paper to the ISCO C++ committee, then you've put it out
>> there to be scrutinised and managed by tens of thousands of C++
>> programmers worldwide. I won't omit your submitted my papers from my
>> program. What I'm doing here is "fair use", especially now since I
>> became a member of WG21 this month and so I want to have a program to
>> peruse and search through papers. Of course if I want something done
>> right, I'll do it myself. Granted it will be open-source though so
>> others will be free to tweak it as they wish.
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> This not your choice. You don’t get to take other people’s work and then put conditions on your redistribution of their work.

AFAIU, Frederick is not redistributing proposals. Nor the data set
trained on the proposals or other derivative work. As long as the
original license on the proposal text permits one to read it, Frederick
is free to process it locally however he likes, including with any
software he likes.

I kind of agree with Frederick, if you don't want your proposals to be
read or otherwise consumed by readers for their own convenience then
don't publish them. If you did publish it, the bird is out of the cage,
deal with it. It's that simple.

> On the basis of your statements in this thread I have no real choice but to say you may not use or redistribute in any form, including by obfuscation within a statistical model, any paper that I am an author or co-author of.

That would mean you would be revoking the license to read your papers.
I'm not sure what license is used (or implied) for papers published on
open-std.org. Depending on how it is worded, the license may be
revokable or not, and exclusive or non-exclusive. This means you may or
may not be within your rights to revoke it from a given person, from
everyone at once, or at all. My gut feeling is that the license should
be non-revokable and non-exclusive.