Are the papers part of the redistributed open source program? No.   So the usage is to have copies of the papers locally and to search and query them.   Does the program contain a list of paper authors' names with alternative used spellings? Yes.   Where some of the authors here probably have the most qualms with, is (if it is used that way): Using generative AI to process the(ir) existing papers and produce new snippets or even new papers out of it and redistributing those snippets or papers.   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von:Oliver Hunt via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> Gesendet:Fr 18.07.2025 01:32 Betreff:Re: [std-proposals] Dedicated website with AI that has processed all papers An:std-proposals_at_[hidden]; CC:Oliver Hunt <oliver_at_[hidden]>; > On Jul 17, 2025, at 4:09 PM, Frederick Virchanza Gotham via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 11:17 PM Aurelien Cassagnes wrote: >> >> Hi >> I dont know what you aim to do with this and i merely have the 1 or 2 paper , regardless, I dont want it being ingested in that “thing”. >> >> Thanks & Cheers >> >> Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > Paper Kernel C++ will be free to download, free to use, and entirely > open-source. You can’t include the work of others under a different license without their consent. You don’t get to choose for other people. > > I used Paper Kernel C++ just now to determine -- in about 5 seconds -- > that you've authored 7 papers: One revision of p3678, and six > revisions of p3385. That literally took me about 5 seconds -- all I > had to do was click your name on the Authors tab. I can also tell you > that your name has no alternative forms -- i.e. it's never been > encountered as "A. Cassagnes". That is not relevant. > > I need to be very clear about something here -- not for a legal reason > but more for a personal moral reason. If any of you wrote papers and > uploaded them to your own personal webspace (like I have a few times), > then I'd just leave them alone. They belong to you and I'm not going > to go plundering other people's personal webspace. I am only dealing > with papers that have been emailed to Nevin Lieber in order to get a > document number and to enter the queue to be voted on. So if you've > submitted a paper to the ISCO C++ committee, then you've put it out > there to be scrutinised and managed by tens of thousands of C++ > programmers worldwide. I won't omit your submitted my papers from my > program. What I'm doing here is "fair use", especially now since I > became a member of WG21 this month and so I want to have a program to > peruse and search through papers. Of course if I want something done > right, I'll do it myself. Granted it will be open-source though so > others will be free to tweak it as they wish. This not your choice. You don’t get to take other people’s work and then put conditions on your redistribution of their work. That’s not how consent works, and the fact that you are not just ignoring someone stating explicitly that you do not have permission to redistribute their work, you are literally dismissing their right to do so. This is also not how fair use works. Fair use would you be posting your own summaries of the work. You are distributing the work of others and claiming that by wrapping it in a statistical blob you have the right to ignore the fact that you do not own that work, you are not an author of that work, and you don’t get to relicense their work. > I'm willing to chat back and forth here with people who have qualms > about their papers being embedded in my program, but really it's very > unlikely that I'll fulfill anyone's request to remove their papers. In > fact I'd have more moral qualms about removing someone's papers than I > would about leaving them in. You can't just erase the history books > like that. If you submit a C++ proposal papers, it's out there. Again this is not how copyright or consent works. This is not about erasing history books, literally no one is saying “I don’t want these papers published”, they’re saying *you* do not get to redistribute them, you do not have the right to because it is not your property. Your responses are literally “you wrote a book, and if you don’t let me redistribute it myself you are trying to erase history”. On the basis of your statements in this thread I have no real choice but to say you may not use or redistribute in any form, including by obfuscation within a statistical model, any paper that I am an author or co-author of. —Oliver > -- > Std-Proposals mailing list > Std-Proposals_at_[hidden] > https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals -- Std-Proposals mailing list Std-Proposals_at_[hidden] https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals