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Subject: Re: [ WG14 ] Mixed Wide String Literals
From: Tom Honermann (tom_at_[hidden])
Date: 2020-12-08 08:50:50


On 12/8/20 6:13 AM, Peter Brett via SG16 wrote:
> Hi Niall,
>
> I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't have reported this outside WG14.

A reminder to all that the SG16 mailing list is a public list with
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processes described in those documents.

Nial, ISO rules are intended to allow members to communicate within ISO
meetings with reasonable expectations of privacy; they may choose to
make statements in ISO meetings that they may choose not to make
publicly.  How a member votes within an ISO meeting is privileged
information.  You did not share particulars of how a member voted on any
particular issue here, but sharing your perception of what motivates a
member's vote is, at least, poor form; in this case, how a member votes
was not even relevant to the topic of discussion.  Please refrain from
comments regarding member's votes or voting habits in the future.

Your other comments are appreciated, thank you.

Tom.

>
> Peter
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SG16 <sg16-bounces_at_[hidden]> On Behalf Of Niall Douglas via
>> SG16
>> Sent: 08 December 2020 11:12
>> To: sg16_at_[hidden]
>> Cc: Niall Douglas <s_sourceforge_at_[hidden]>
>> Subject: Re: [SG16] [ WG14 ] Mixed Wide String Literals
>>
>> EXTERNAL MAIL
>>
>>
>> On 07/12/2020 22:56, Tom Honermann via SG16 wrote:
>>
>>> IBM does maintain representation in WG21 (and I thought in WG14 as
>>> well).  There are also ports of Clang to EBCDIC systems now as well.
>> They have robust representation on WG14. Indeed, they are the primary
>> cause for saying no to any proposed insubstantial change. This is very
>> frustrating to anyone proposing anything non-trivial, but the IBM rep is
>> a very good engineer, very technically able, and he has a strong opinion
>> that C ought to not change by much, ever.
>>
>> IBM remains keen on EBCDIC, and they defend it on WG14 zealously. I'd
>> say everybody else on WG14 would prefer if it went away, but in the end
>> if a particular implementor really wants to support it, there aren't
>> good reasons for removing it.
>>
>> Niall
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