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Subject: Re: [SG14] Dec 9 SG14 Safety Security call
From: Michael Wong (fraggamuffin_at_[hidden])
Date: 2020-12-09 08:54:33


Thanks both, here is the adjusted agenda for today's call

Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly

This meeting is a special meeting to gather interest in Safety and Security
proposed by Matthew Butler in May 2020 Sg14 meeting.

Hi,

Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: SG14 monthly Dec 2020-Feb 2021
Time: Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
    Every month on the Second Wed, until Feb 10, 2021, 3 occurrence(s)
    Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM
    Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM
    Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM
    Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to your
calendar system.
    Monthly:
https://iso.zoom.us/meeting/tJcscuigqD8pHNESxi1bJ9ClURVqr_ZAvmv1/ics?icsToken=98tyKuCrrz4rEtKRsx-CRowqBY_4d_zwpilego14rwfsUiJ5OyD6A9B0I6BAKvnG

Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
https://iso.zoom.us/j/93151864365?pwd=aDhOcDNWd2NWdTJuT1loeXpKbTcydz09
    Password: 789626

Or iPhone one-tap :
    US: +12532158782,,93151864365# or +13017158592,,93151864365#
Or Telephone:
    Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location):
        US: +1 253 215 8782 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or +1
346 248 7799 or +1 408 638 0968 or +1 646 876 9923 or +1 669 900 6833
 or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free)
    Meeting ID: 931 5186 4365
    Password: 789626
    International numbers available: https://iso.zoom.us/u/abRrVivZoD

Or Skype for Business (Lync):
    https://iso.zoom.us/skype/93151864365

Agenda:

1. Opening and introduction

ISO Code of Conduct
<https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1>

ISO patent policy.
https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2

WG21 Code of COnduct:

https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures

1.1 Roll call of participants

1.2 Adopt agenda

1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
 previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org

1.4 Action items from previous meetings

2. Main issues (125 min)

2.1 General logistics

Future meeting plans

    Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Safety Security
    Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900UTC: Games
    Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Embedded

2.2 Paper reviews

Matthew Butler to review Safety Security Proposal: Safety & Security Review
Group proposal for tomorrow:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQSH4wLATLo3bLHjU71v4GwB0Ztr0UScV_hEyTFYTFzo0vt7euXdDkrilI2W-EulNL8ATvhWKVl9Hvp/pub
.
P1315R5 - Miguel Ojeda - secure_clear
P1705R1 - Shafik Yaghmour - Enumerating Core Undefined Behavior
P1861R1 - Alex Christensen - Secure Networking in C++
 P2234 - Scott Schurr -"Consider a UB and IF-NDR Audit"

2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?

SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0

2.3 Domain-specific discussions

2.3.1 SIG chairs

   - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
   Holmes, John McFarlane

   - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan Tjernström, Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
   Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
   - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
   - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson

2.4 Other Papers and proposals

2.5 Future F2F meetings:

2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings

- 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
- 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA Cancelled

3. Any other business
Reflector
https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
paper mailings:
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/

Code and proposal Staging area
https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
4. Review

4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
working draft]

4.2 Review action items (5 min)

5. Closing process

5.1 Establish next agenda

5.2 Future meeting

Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (1900 UTC) : Security: Mathew
Butler

Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Games: Rene

Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Embedded :

Kind Rgds

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:20 PM Matthew Butler via SG14 <
sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> Thanks, John. I will try to get this on the agenda for tomorrow if at all
> possible,
>
> All, here is the Safety & Security Review Group proposal for tomorrow:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQSH4wLATLo3bLHjU71v4GwB0Ztr0UScV_hEyTFYTFzo0vt7euXdDkrilI2W-EulNL8ATvhWKVl9Hvp/pub.
> It's very short so I will put it last on the agenda for tomorrow.
>
> See you all then.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM John McFarlane <john_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> If we're looking at P1705, should we also review P2234 "Consider a UB and
>> IF-NDR Audit"?
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 03:56, Matthew Butler via SG14 <
>> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> We have 3 other papers to review as well:
>>>
>>> P1315R5 - Miguel Ojeda - secure_clear
>>> P1705R1 - Shafik Yaghmour - Enumerating Core Undefined Behavior
>>> P1861R1 - Alex Christensen - Secure Networking in C++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 8:49 PM Michael Wong via SG14 <
>>> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly
>>>>
>>>> This meeting is a special meeting to gather interest in Safety and
>>>> Security proposed by Matthew Butler in May 2020 Sg14 meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Topic: SG14 monthly Dec 2020-Feb 2021
>>>> Time: Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>>> Every month on the Second Wed, until Feb 10, 2021, 3 occurrence(s)
>>>> Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM
>>>> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM
>>>> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM
>>>> Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to
>>>> your calendar system.
>>>> Monthly:
>>>> https://iso.zoom.us/meeting/tJcscuigqD8pHNESxi1bJ9ClURVqr_ZAvmv1/ics?icsToken=98tyKuCrrz4rEtKRsx-CRowqBY_4d_zwpilego14rwfsUiJ5OyD6A9B0I6BAKvnG
>>>>
>>>> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
>>>> https://iso.zoom.us/j/93151864365?pwd=aDhOcDNWd2NWdTJuT1loeXpKbTcydz09
>>>> Password: 789626
>>>>
>>>> Or iPhone one-tap :
>>>> US: +12532158782,,93151864365# or +13017158592,,93151864365#
>>>> Or Telephone:
>>>> Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current
>>>> location):
>>>> US: +1 253 215 8782 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799 or
>>>> +1 346 248 7799 or +1 408 638 0968 or +1 646 876 9923 or +1 669 900 6833
>>>> or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free)
>>>> Meeting ID: 931 5186 4365
>>>> Password: 789626
>>>> International numbers available: https://iso.zoom.us/u/abRrVivZoD
>>>>
>>>> Or Skype for Business (Lync):
>>>> https://iso.zoom.us/skype/93151864365
>>>>
>>>> Agenda:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Opening and introduction
>>>>
>>>> ISO Code of Conduct
>>>> <https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1>
>>>>
>>>> ISO patent policy.
>>>>
>>>> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WG21 Code of COnduct:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>>>>
>>>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>>>
>>>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>>>
>>>> 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
>>>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>>>
>>>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>>>
>>>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>>>
>>>> 2.1 General logistics
>>>>
>>>> Future meeting plans
>>>>
>>>> Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Safety Security
>>>> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900UTC: Games
>>>> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Embedded
>>>>
>>>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>>>>
>>>> Matthew BUtler to review Safety Security Proposal
>>>>
>>>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>>>
>>>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>>>
>>>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>>>
>>>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>>>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>>>
>>>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan Tjernström, Carl Cooke, Neal
>>>> Horlock,
>>>> Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
>>>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
>>>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>>>
>>>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>>>
>>>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>>>
>>>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>>>
>>>> - 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
>>>> - 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA Cancelled
>>>>
>>>> 3. Any other business
>>>> Reflector
>>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>>> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards
>>>> committee
>>>> paper mailings:
>>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>>>
>>>> Code and proposal Staging area
>>>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
>>>> 4. Review
>>>>
>>>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>>>> working draft]
>>>>
>>>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Closing process
>>>>
>>>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>>>
>>>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (1900 UTC) : Security: Mathew
>>>> Butler
>>>>
>>>> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Games: Rene
>>>>
>>>> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Embedded :
>>>>
>>>> Kind Rgds
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>>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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