I'm going to try to be empathetic. The standardization process is a lot of
work to get through. One of the unfortunate realities is that, even if it
feels obvious that there is something additional the standard can
guarantee---because it is already true on all implementations and there is
no legitimate reason to ever create an implementation where it isn't
true---that does not mean there's some quick process to get that guarantee
into the standard. You still have to write a paper and present it at a
meeting. And, in doing so, you might discover that what you thought was
true (that there is no legitimate reason for keeping it UB) is not true
after all, because someone else presents an argument that you hadn't
considered.

And nowadays (maybe you don't like it, but it is the reality) there are a
lot of folks who feel that removing UB is not by itself sufficient
motivation because, in their view, giving sanitizers permission to diagnose
a questionable operation is more helpful to the programmer than making the
operation defined. That does not mean that we cannot remove UB, but it does
mean you have to come in with some kind of positive motivation for defining
the UB, not just "we should do this because we can".

Participating in standardization is a lot of hard work and it's totally
understandable that a lot of people feel that the amount of effort required
is disproportionate. That's why we have a few hundred people who come to
meetings rather than thousands.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2025 at 2:51 PM Nikl Kelbon via Std-Proposals <
std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> I've been seriously disappointed with this email address (std-proposals)
> for a long time now and don't see the point in posting here.
>
> It mostly looks like most of the proposals are written by "perpetual
> motion machine inventors" and the responses are from first-year students.
> How can anything serious disscussed under these conditions?
>
> It's no wonder I haven't seen a single discussion of anything actually
> accepted as a standard here.
>
> So I'll close this thread as useless.
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