Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2025 23:36:17 -0700
> On Aug 3, 2025, at 12:28 PM, Frederick Virchanza Gotham via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
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> On Sunday, August 3, 2025, Jeremy Rifkin wrote:
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>> C++ doesn’t use annotations like this on functions
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> Good job so, that this is the 'proposals' forum where we can throw out mad stuff.
Absolutely not.
This is a forum for *proposals*
That is: thought out and considered changes or additions to the language, where you are expected to have spent some about of time determining the impact to the language and considered the complete nature of the problem you are attempting to solve, alternative approaches, and if applicable design questions you are unsure about.
“Throw[ing] out mad stuff” is not a proposal, it is at best the starting point for a proposal, from which _you_ need to do work to take it to the point of being at least a draft of a proposal.
This is what I have asked you to provide us with repeatedly, but if you have actually been operating under the assumption that "std-proposals” is a list for random ideas and not, as the name indicates, a list for presenting proposals that seems likely to be why there has been such a mismatch between your expectations and that of others on the list.
You don’t necessarily need your proposals to this list to reach the detail, wording, and structure of a PxyzR0 document but it should be close - basically the only work that should be required to get from such a proposal to a Pxyz style paper should be help with editing from someone who has experience writing such documents.
I’ve been endeavoring to treat your proposals in good faith: that you have done this work but have not written it up. But based on this comment you seem to have misunderstood what this list means by “proposals”, and this is not simply a matter of not writing up the work you did for your proposal, but rather have been posting the initial idea you have as if it were an actual proposal.
Developing a proposal takes time and effort, if you aren’t putting that time and effort into an idea, it is not a proposal.
—Oliver
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> On Sunday, August 3, 2025, Jeremy Rifkin wrote:
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>> C++ doesn’t use annotations like this on functions
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> Good job so, that this is the 'proposals' forum where we can throw out mad stuff.
Absolutely not.
This is a forum for *proposals*
That is: thought out and considered changes or additions to the language, where you are expected to have spent some about of time determining the impact to the language and considered the complete nature of the problem you are attempting to solve, alternative approaches, and if applicable design questions you are unsure about.
“Throw[ing] out mad stuff” is not a proposal, it is at best the starting point for a proposal, from which _you_ need to do work to take it to the point of being at least a draft of a proposal.
This is what I have asked you to provide us with repeatedly, but if you have actually been operating under the assumption that "std-proposals” is a list for random ideas and not, as the name indicates, a list for presenting proposals that seems likely to be why there has been such a mismatch between your expectations and that of others on the list.
You don’t necessarily need your proposals to this list to reach the detail, wording, and structure of a PxyzR0 document but it should be close - basically the only work that should be required to get from such a proposal to a Pxyz style paper should be help with editing from someone who has experience writing such documents.
I’ve been endeavoring to treat your proposals in good faith: that you have done this work but have not written it up. But based on this comment you seem to have misunderstood what this list means by “proposals”, and this is not simply a matter of not writing up the work you did for your proposal, but rather have been posting the initial idea you have as if it were an actual proposal.
Developing a proposal takes time and effort, if you aren’t putting that time and effort into an idea, it is not a proposal.
—Oliver
Received on 2025-08-04 06:37:03