Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 21:47:29 +0100
On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 at 19:49, Oliver Hunt <oliver_at_[hidden]> wrote:
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> On Jul 17, 2025, at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Wakely via Std-Proposals <
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>> Shout out to the Spanish folks who gave me a bit of work to
>> do. The Dutch too. Even with the help of AI, I still spent many hours
>> mapping alternative forms of names to primary forms of names.
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>> Here are all the names in a header file in the main program:
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>> https://github.com/healytpk/paperkernelcxx/blob/main/main_program/AUTO_GENERATED_names.hpp
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>> There are two arrays, the first is the primary names, so for example
>> "Bjarne Stroustrup" is a primary name. The second array is the
>> alternative names, and this is where "B. Stroustrup" gets mapped to a
>> primary. "TPK Healy" gets mapped to "Thomas P. K. Healy". "Kyle
>> Kloepper" gets mapped to "Kyle Klopper (with an umlaut over the 'o')".
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> Why? Kyle is also American.
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> In defense of Frederick plenty of people where parts of their name are
> English (or anglicized) and other parts that have accents, etc even if they
> personally are English or American - I’m not sure how folk who have names
> in other alphabets feel about the use of anglocized names over their native
> alphabet, certainly I know some people who have <native alphabet>
> “anglicized name/pronunciation” in their email signatures. If there’s any
> doubt the only person whose opinion matters is the person who’s name it is.
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Sure, but none of the papers in the WG21 document history ever said Klöpper.
It seems presumptuous to assume that the papers he wrote and published
himself are wrong, and that it should be changed to something different.
> So I appreciate that Frederick is contacting people to confirm when
> they’re unsure.
>
> —Oliver
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> On Jul 17, 2025, at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Wakely via Std-Proposals <
> std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
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>
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>> Shout out to the Spanish folks who gave me a bit of work to
>> do. The Dutch too. Even with the help of AI, I still spent many hours
>> mapping alternative forms of names to primary forms of names.
>>
>> Here are all the names in a header file in the main program:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/healytpk/paperkernelcxx/blob/main/main_program/AUTO_GENERATED_names.hpp
>>
>> There are two arrays, the first is the primary names, so for example
>> "Bjarne Stroustrup" is a primary name. The second array is the
>> alternative names, and this is where "B. Stroustrup" gets mapped to a
>> primary. "TPK Healy" gets mapped to "Thomas P. K. Healy". "Kyle
>> Kloepper" gets mapped to "Kyle Klopper (with an umlaut over the 'o')".
>>
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> Why? Kyle is also American.
>
>
> In defense of Frederick plenty of people where parts of their name are
> English (or anglicized) and other parts that have accents, etc even if they
> personally are English or American - I’m not sure how folk who have names
> in other alphabets feel about the use of anglocized names over their native
> alphabet, certainly I know some people who have <native alphabet>
> “anglicized name/pronunciation” in their email signatures. If there’s any
> doubt the only person whose opinion matters is the person who’s name it is.
>
Sure, but none of the papers in the WG21 document history ever said Klöpper.
It seems presumptuous to assume that the papers he wrote and published
himself are wrong, and that it should be changed to something different.
> So I appreciate that Frederick is contacting people to confirm when
> they’re unsure.
>
> —Oliver
>
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