Facilities like printf were meaningless after prinf was added to the standard, but since printf is widely used, deprecateing them is harmful to C++. new is vital to C++, we need its placement version, and deprecateing it harms C++'s ability. NULL, rand, qsort that should not continue to be used, but they should not be removed either.

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From: Arthur O'Dwyer <arthur.j.odwyer_at_[hidden]>
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 20:09
To: Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]>
Cc: Yexuan Xiao <bizwen_at_[hidden]>
Subject: Re: [std-proposals] Keeping C++ Young: Migrating to Modern C++

On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 6:25 AM Yexuan Xiao via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]<mailto:std-proposals_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
A name marked as discouraged does not imply that it will be removed in the future, it is not a precursor to deprecated. And it conditionally generates a warning.

This seems like a job for a linter like clang-tidy or PVS-Studio, not for WG21. If WG21 were convinced that some construct ought to be officially "discouraged," I see no reason they wouldn't just deprecate it. Or, if you can't convince all of WG21, then you won't be able to apply the attribute. (Except that a vendor can do it as a conforming extension — but that's the status quo — you don't need a proposal for that at all!)

Also: most "discouraged" constructions don't correspond to entities that could have the attribute attached to them. For example, raw new and delete are discouraged, but are still used inside the implementations of various third-party library facilities. The use of T(x) syntax for reinterpret_cast is discouraged, but reinterpret_cast isn't an entity, it's a keyword. Likewise goto is a keyword, not an entity.
These are all things that a linter can and does warn about. But your attribute won't help.

HTH,
Arthur


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From: Std-Proposals <std-proposals-bounces_at_[hidden]<mailto:std-proposals-bounces_at_[hidden]>> on behalf of Andrey Semashev via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]<mailto:std-proposals_at_[hidden]>>
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Cc: Andrey Semashev <andrey.semashev_at_[hidden]<mailto:andrey.semashev_at_[hidden]>>
Subject: Re: [std-proposals] Keeping C++ Young: Migrating to Modern C++

On 11/5/23 14:11, Yexuan Xiao via Std-Proposals wrote:
> I propose a new standard attribute, [[discouraged]], and a new macro,
> #strict, to indicating that the name or entity declared with this
> attribute is discouraged from use, and giving an alternative.
>
> [[discouraged( string-literal )]]
> string-literal - an unevaluated string literal that could be used to
> explain the rationale for discouragement and to suggest a replacing entity
>
> macro #strict
> #strict can appear anywhere in the file, and once the file contains this
> macro, the compiler will generate warnings for all uses of names and
> syntax that are marked as discouraged, and give the reason.
>
> Full proposal written with bikeshed here:
> https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.csswg.org%2Fbikeshed%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fstorage.nykz.org%2Fproposals%2Fkeeping-cxx-young.bs%26force%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cfeeb6e510b0446d4ab3708dbddf0f760%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638347799252785276%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O6FWAqbou7wxTn4RonkCwP4moduJuZllOOOwFX2kCVY%3D&reserved=0<https://api.csswg.org/bikeshed/?url=https://storage.nykz.org/proposals/keeping-cxx-young.bs&force=1> <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.csswg.org%2Fbikeshed%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fstorage.nykz.org%2Fproposals%2Fkeeping-cxx-young.bs%26force%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cfeeb6e510b0446d4ab3708dbddf0f760%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638347799252785276%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O6FWAqbou7wxTn4RonkCwP4moduJuZllOOOwFX2kCVY%3D&reserved=0<https://api.csswg.org/bikeshed/?url=https://storage.nykz.org/proposals/keeping-cxx-young.bs&force=1>>.

How is it different from [[deprecated]]?

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