Hi Alex, I think you misunderstood. Jonathan's INT_MIN / INT_MAX do not return 1 or 16, respectively, for enums. Quite the opposite, Jonathan pointed out that the existing values INT_MIN / INT_MAX can be stored in MyEnum, so 1 or 16 are _not_ the minimum or maximum possible value for the example.   This has often used practical applications: MyEnum wolpertinger = eMonkey | eFish | eGoat | eFrog; // 30 > 16   e.g. if like in the example the enum values are given as power of 2 flags, which can be added/ORed.   Best, Sebastian   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von:Alejandro Colomar via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> Gesendet:Mo 10.07.2023 10:53 Betreff:Re: [std-proposals] std::enum_max and std::enum_min An:std-proposals_at_[hidden]; CC:Alejandro Colomar <alx.mailinglists_at_[hidden]>; Hi Jonathan! On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:03 Jonathan Wakely via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden] <mailto:std-proposals_at_[hidden]> > wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2023, 08:15 Frederick Virchanza Gotham via Std-Proposals, <std-proposals_at_[hidden] <mailto:std-proposals_at_[hidden]> > wrote: Given the following enum: enum MyEnum : int {     eInvalid = 1,     eFrog = 2,     eGoat = 4,     eFish = 8,     eMonkey = 16, }; I propose that:     std::enum_max<MyEnum> would evaluate to 16, and that:     std::enum_min<MyEnum> would evaluate to 1.  Why?  This is perfectly valid: auto e = (MyEnum)INT_MAX; And similarly for INT_MIN and 0 etc.  Heh, I learnt something new today.  I didn't know about this.  Would you mind pointing to where this feature is described in the standard?  I'm curious about it.  Regarding the proposal, I find it more readable and portable, since casting to an enum type in C doesn't do that magic.  But since the feature already exists, I wouldn't support yet another way of doing the same thing.  At the very least, I'd use this cast always within a template or macro called to_enum<type>(value) or to_enum(type, value).  But probably in a project-defined one, and not a standard one.  Cheers, Alex   So you need to give some actual rationale for your proposal.     -- Std-Proposals mailing list Std-Proposals_at_[hidden] <mailto:Std-Proposals_at_[hidden]> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals -- Std-Proposals mailing list Std-Proposals_at_[hidden] https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals