Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 08:37:05 +0100
On Fri, 7 Jul 2023, 08:05 1one1 via Std-Proposals, <
std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> **Title:** Proposal for `std::fiber<T>` Language-Level Extension in C++23
>
> **Document number:** N/A
>
> **Date:** 2023-07-07
>
> **Project:** Programming Language C++
>
> **Reply to:** ahshabazz_at_[hidden]
>
> **Introduction**
>
> Dear Members of the C++ Standards Committee,
>
> This document proposes a novel language-level extension to the C++
> Standard Library, namely `std::fiber<T>`, aimed to ease and optimize
> concurrent programming by providing automated management of shared state.
>
> ## Motivation and Scope
>
> Concurrent programming is a challenging aspect of C++, requiring careful
> synchronization to avoid data races and associated undefined behavior. This
> proposal seeks to mitigate these challenges by introducing a unit of
> execution, `std::fiber<T>`, designed with built-in Read-Copy-Update (RCU)
> or Copy-On-Write (COW) semantics to handle shared state. This approach
> simplifies concurrent programming, allowing programmers to reason about
> each fiber's execution as if it were single-threaded, whilst the complexity
> of managing shared state is handled by the language or runtime.
>
> ## Proposal
>
> We propose `std::fiber<T>`, as a lightweight unit of execution with its
> own private data `T`. Each fiber would employ RCU or COW semantics when
> sharing data with other fibers, minimizing data races while optimizing
> memory usage and execution speed.
>
> To address the many challenges associated with thread management, we
> propose the following solutions:
>
> 1. **Performance Overhead**: Apply "lazy copying" and diffing techniques,
> where data is copied only when it's about to be modified, and only the
> parts of the data that have changed are copied and updated.
>
> 2. **Synchronization**: Use efficient lock-free algorithms, where
> possible, to manage synchronization, and design flexibility into the API to
> allow advanced users to apply manual synchronization when necessary.
>
> 3. **Garbage Collection**: Implement deterministic memory management, such
> as reference counting or region-based memory management strategies, or
> consider employing a simple garbage collector specifically for managing the
> lifetimes of these shared data structures.
>
> 4. **API Design**: Design the `std::fiber<T>` API such that certain
> variables can be marked as shared, possibly with a keyword or physical
> annotation. Alternatively, all variables in a fiber could be private by
> default, with explicit sharing of variables only as required.
>
> 5. **Semantic Complexity**: Provide comprehensive documentation, usage
> examples, and tooling support (like static analysis tools) to assist
> developers in understanding and effectively using `std::fiber<T>`.
>
> ## Impact on the Standard
>
> This proposal does not anticipate any breaking changes to the existing C++
> standard, as `std::fiber<T>` would be a new addition that complements the
> existing concurrency model.
>
> The addition of `std::fiber<T>` would likely involve modifications to the
> C++ memory model to account for the proposed RCU or COW semantics. Further,
> to accommodate the garbage collection strategies, modifications may be
> required in the language's resource management model.
>
> ## Future Directions
>
> Following the adoption of `std::fiber<T>`, we suggest exploring these
> areas of further optimizations, such as fine-tuning the garbage collection
> strategy, enhancing the lock-free algorithms, or refining the copy
> strategies. We also recommend developing further tooling support to aid in
> the effective use of `std::fiber<T>`.
>
> We hope this proposal will be considered for inclusion in the C++23
> standard.
>
Nothing else can be included in C++23 now, that deadline passed about a
year ago.
We look forward to your feedback and are ready to revise and refine this
> proposal based on the committee's suggestions.
>
This isn't really a proposal, it's just an idea. Arguably not even that,
just a name, "fiber<T>".
You haven't explained how to use it, what the API looks like, how it's
different to other approaches.
It's premature to talk about lock-free algorithms and garbage collection
strategies when you don't actually have a proposal yet.
Fewer buzzwords and more information, please.
std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> **Title:** Proposal for `std::fiber<T>` Language-Level Extension in C++23
>
> **Document number:** N/A
>
> **Date:** 2023-07-07
>
> **Project:** Programming Language C++
>
> **Reply to:** ahshabazz_at_[hidden]
>
> **Introduction**
>
> Dear Members of the C++ Standards Committee,
>
> This document proposes a novel language-level extension to the C++
> Standard Library, namely `std::fiber<T>`, aimed to ease and optimize
> concurrent programming by providing automated management of shared state.
>
> ## Motivation and Scope
>
> Concurrent programming is a challenging aspect of C++, requiring careful
> synchronization to avoid data races and associated undefined behavior. This
> proposal seeks to mitigate these challenges by introducing a unit of
> execution, `std::fiber<T>`, designed with built-in Read-Copy-Update (RCU)
> or Copy-On-Write (COW) semantics to handle shared state. This approach
> simplifies concurrent programming, allowing programmers to reason about
> each fiber's execution as if it were single-threaded, whilst the complexity
> of managing shared state is handled by the language or runtime.
>
> ## Proposal
>
> We propose `std::fiber<T>`, as a lightweight unit of execution with its
> own private data `T`. Each fiber would employ RCU or COW semantics when
> sharing data with other fibers, minimizing data races while optimizing
> memory usage and execution speed.
>
> To address the many challenges associated with thread management, we
> propose the following solutions:
>
> 1. **Performance Overhead**: Apply "lazy copying" and diffing techniques,
> where data is copied only when it's about to be modified, and only the
> parts of the data that have changed are copied and updated.
>
> 2. **Synchronization**: Use efficient lock-free algorithms, where
> possible, to manage synchronization, and design flexibility into the API to
> allow advanced users to apply manual synchronization when necessary.
>
> 3. **Garbage Collection**: Implement deterministic memory management, such
> as reference counting or region-based memory management strategies, or
> consider employing a simple garbage collector specifically for managing the
> lifetimes of these shared data structures.
>
> 4. **API Design**: Design the `std::fiber<T>` API such that certain
> variables can be marked as shared, possibly with a keyword or physical
> annotation. Alternatively, all variables in a fiber could be private by
> default, with explicit sharing of variables only as required.
>
> 5. **Semantic Complexity**: Provide comprehensive documentation, usage
> examples, and tooling support (like static analysis tools) to assist
> developers in understanding and effectively using `std::fiber<T>`.
>
> ## Impact on the Standard
>
> This proposal does not anticipate any breaking changes to the existing C++
> standard, as `std::fiber<T>` would be a new addition that complements the
> existing concurrency model.
>
> The addition of `std::fiber<T>` would likely involve modifications to the
> C++ memory model to account for the proposed RCU or COW semantics. Further,
> to accommodate the garbage collection strategies, modifications may be
> required in the language's resource management model.
>
> ## Future Directions
>
> Following the adoption of `std::fiber<T>`, we suggest exploring these
> areas of further optimizations, such as fine-tuning the garbage collection
> strategy, enhancing the lock-free algorithms, or refining the copy
> strategies. We also recommend developing further tooling support to aid in
> the effective use of `std::fiber<T>`.
>
> We hope this proposal will be considered for inclusion in the C++23
> standard.
>
Nothing else can be included in C++23 now, that deadline passed about a
year ago.
We look forward to your feedback and are ready to revise and refine this
> proposal based on the committee's suggestions.
>
This isn't really a proposal, it's just an idea. Arguably not even that,
just a name, "fiber<T>".
You haven't explained how to use it, what the API looks like, how it's
different to other approaches.
It's premature to talk about lock-free algorithms and garbage collection
strategies when you don't actually have a proposal yet.
Fewer buzzwords and more information, please.
Received on 2023-07-07 07:37:21