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Re: [std-proposals] Rust vs C/C++ vs C++ Superset

From: Phil Bouchard <boost_at_[hidden]>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:17:00 -0400
On 9/27/22 10:58, Jason McKesson via Std-Proposals wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:49 AM Phil Bouchard via Std-Proposals
> <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Apparently Rust is gaining traction very quickly, even Linus Torvalds will use it for his Linux kernel:
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/programming-languages-its-time-to-stop-using-c-and-c-for-new-projects-says-microsoft-azure-cto/
>> Apparently as well Rust will not fix everything:
>> "Bob Rudis, a cybersecurity researcher for GreyNoise Intelligence, who was formerly with Rapid7, noted developers can carry across the same bad security habits to Rust."
>> I'm looking into waiving the patented Fornux C++ Superset to integrate it into free open source projects as well so that should fix a huge part of the problem:
>> https://fornux.com/superset/
>> What are your thoughts?
> My thoughts are that your post seems almost entirely off-topic and is
> borderline spam.

Well I disagree because it's a major architectural addition to the
standards I am proposing; not just a minor technical addition.

> Are you considering proposing this "Fornux C++ Superset" for
> standardization? If so, then your post should probably explain what it
> does, what problems it solves, and so forth. Most importantly of all,
> the fact that this "Fornux C++ Superset" is under patent *really*
> needs to be addressed if it's going to have any hope of
> standardization.
> And if you're not considering proposing it... then what is this post
> doing on the "std-proposals" mailing list? This list is for looking at
> proposed changes to the standard. If that's not what's going on, then
> it doesn't need to be here.

I already proposed a new "framework" that will allow the integration of
such memory manager, and even standard backtraces, standard profilers
and so on into that ISO standards:


But they immediately suggested I waive the memory manager even if my
point was the framework to integrate them.

> Rust, or any other non-C++ language, is useful as a topic to this
> forum only to the extent that specific practices in other languages
> might be useful for adoption into C++. Beyond that, discussions of who
> might want to adopt language X and so forth are all off-topic.

My point here is that Rust forces to fix the bad memory management
burden the C/C++ family has that represents 70% of the cybersecurity

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