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Re: [SG16] Reminder: SG16 telecon tomorrow (Wednesday, 2020-05-27)

From: Tom Honermann <tom_at_[hidden]>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 01:36:34 -0400
On 5/27/20 12:08 AM, Steve Downey via SG16 wrote:
> With respect to P1859:
> -Basic source character set
> -: The abstract characters that must be representable in the
> _character set_ used for source code
> +Source character set
> +: The abstract characters that must be representable in the internal
> _character set_ used after phase 1 of translation. All characters not
> in the source character set are converted to
> universal-character-names, which are made up of characters from the
> basic character set. The abstract parser only sees characters in the
> source character set.
> There is no "Basic" source character set. There is the character set
> the lexer and parser uses that is available after the implementation
> defined conversion from whatever was presented as source.
> I don't think anyone understands that, outside CWG.

I'm not sure I'm following. The standard does define /basic source
character set/ in [lex.charset]p1
<http://eel.is/c++draft/lex.charset#1>. Are you proposing that it be
renamed to just /source character set/?

I think we will need a term for the encoding of source files. We could
use /source file encoding/ for that, but I'm a little concerned about
these two terms being confused.

> Having more precision around the values emitted into narrow, wide, and
> uN literals from the execution character set, and what happens when
> that fails I still believe would be useful.
I think P2029 may address that.
> Perhaps for 26 we could rewrite entirely in terms of processing code
> points and occasionally "orginal spelling". It would be nice if the
> logical model was closer to what the physical model is.

Why wait for 26? :)


> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:37 PM Tom Honermann via SG16
> <sg16_at_[hidden] <mailto:sg16_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder that an SG16 telecon will be held
> tomorrow, Wednesday May 27th, at 19:30 UTC (timezone conversion
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20200527T193000&p1=1440>).
> To attend, visit https://bluejeans.com/140274541 at the start of
> the meeting.
> Steve will circulate a draft revision of P1949 on the SG16 mailing
> list today.
> The agenda for the meeting is:
> * D1949R4: C++ Identifier Syntax using Unicode Standard Annex 31
> o Review updates since the April 22nd review.
> * Discuss terminology updates to strive for in C++23
> o P1859R0: Standard terminology character sets and encodings
> <https://wg21.link/p1859>
> o Establish priorities for terms to address.
> o Establish a methodology for drafting wording updates.
> Anticipated decisions to be made at this meeting include:
> * Whether to forward the new draft revision of P1949 to EWG.
> Prior to tomorrow's meeting, please:
> * review Steve's draft revision.
> * review P1859R0, particularly the proposed terminology.
> * think of other terminology changes to be considered.
> * think of how we can divide up the work for making terminology
> updates.
> Tom.
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