Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2025 12:34:23 +1300
Thanks Michael and everyone for taking the time, and also for
accomodating my timezone - much appreciated.
Matt
On 8/10/2025 9:33 am, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
> Notes:
>
>
> The meeting discussed the progress and future plans for C++
> standards. C++26 is feature-complete, and C++29 is underway.
> Upcoming events include CPPCON on September 14 and SG 14/SG 19
> meetings on September 17. The team reviewed the implementation of
> Hive/Colony, emphasizing a lower memory cost version for embedded
> systems. Matthew Bentley proposed using a bit set stack to optimize
> memory usage. Patrice provided a progress report on his games paper,
> noting positive feedback and ongoing improvements. The discussion
> also covered the need for padding bits in data structures, with
> concerns about their practicality and potential standardization.
>
>
> Action Items
>
> * [ ] Implement the bit set stack optimization for Hive
> * [ ] Provide an update on the evolution and socialization Games papers
> * [ ] Incorporate feedback and prepare R3 version of the evolution
> Games paper
>
>
>
> Meeting Kickoff and Attendance
>
> * Matthew mentions difficulty in joining meetings due to time zone
> differences and reliance on emails.
> * Michael acknowledges the time difference and confirms attendance
> of various participants including Michael, Andre, Jens, Maurer,
> Khalil, Estelle, Matt Bentley, Patrice, Waugh, Pedro, and Rodrigo.
> * Michael notes the usual ISO code of conduct and patent policies,
> and transitions to the main agenda items: C++23 and C++26 data.
> * Speaker 2 discusses the upcoming CPPCON conference on September 14
> and the SG 14 and SG 19 meetings on September 17.
> * The meeting schedule is outlined: embedded on September 10,
> finance on October 8, face-to-face meeting in Hawaii on November
> 12, and games on December 10.
> * The meeting time is adjusted to accommodate Matthew Bentley and
> Patrice's schedules.
> * Michael asks for topics to be discussed, starting with Matthew.
>
>
> Matthew Bentley's Presentation on Hive/Colony Implementation
>
> * Matthew Bentley presents an implementation for Hive/Colony,
> focusing on a lower memory cost version suitable for embedded and
> scarce platforms.
> * He explains the importance of having alternative implementations
> to avoid being blocked by API indices.
> * Matthew shares his work-in-progress implementation for bitset
> stat, which uses a bit set stack to optimize searching for the
> first one or zero in a bit set.
> * He details the performance benefits of the bit set stack,
> including a significant reduction in search time for large bit sets.
>
>
> Discussion on Hive/Colony Implementation and Call for Volunteers
>
> * Michael and other participants discuss the implications of using a
> bit set stack in Hive/Colony, including potential memory savings
> and performance improvements.
> * Matthew calls for volunteers to help implement the new version of
> Hive/Colony, emphasizing the substantial work required.
> * Michael and other participants ask questions about the
> implementation, including its compatibility with existing
> Hive/Colony specifications and potential standardization efforts.
> * The discussion highlights the need for further exploration and
> potential standardization to ensure the new implementation is
> compatible with existing standards.
>
>
> Patrice's Progress Report on Games Paper
>
> * Patrice provides a progress report on his games paper, mentioning
> that he has submitted two papers and is working on an R1 paper.
> * He discusses the feedback received on the papers and the need to
> address certain issues before the next meeting.
> * Patrice emphasizes the importance of the games paper and the need
> for continued work to ensure it meets the committee's standards.
> * The discussion includes potential changes to the paper based on
> feedback and the need for further collaboration to finalize the work.
>
>
> Feedback on Games Evolution and Socialization Papers
>
> * Patrice discusses the feedback received on the evolution and
> social papers, highlighting the positive and negative reactions.
> * He mentions the need to explore alternative implementations and
> attributes to address the concerns raised.
> * The discussion includes potential changes to the papers based on
> feedback and the need for further exploration to ensure the
> proposals meet the committee's standards.
> * Patrice emphasizes the importance of the feedback and the need for
> continued work to refine the proposals.
>
>
> Discussion on Padding Bits and Reflection
>
> * The discussion shifts to the concept of padding bits and their
> potential use in detecting unused bits in data structures.
> * Participants express concerns about the practicality of padding
> bits and the need for better use cases to justify their inclusion.
> * The potential use of reflection to detect padding bits is
> discussed, with participants highlighting the benefits and
> limitations of this approach.
> * The discussion includes the need for further exploration and
> potential standardization to ensure the feature meets the
> committee's standards.
>
>
> Conclusion and Next Steps
>
> * The meeting concludes with a summary of the key points discussed,
> including the need for further work on the Hive/Colony
> implementation, the games paper, and the padding bits feature.
> * Participants are encouraged to provide feedback and continue
> working on the proposed changes.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:43 PM andrew drakeford via SG14
> <sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Many apologies for my absence. I was unwell. However, I will be
> attending CppCon and look forward to meeting you.
>
> Kind regards
> Andrew Drakeford
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* SG14 <sg14-bounces_at_[hidden]> on behalf of Andre
> Kostur via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2025 10:01 PM
> *To:* sg14_at_[hidden] <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> *Cc:* Andre Kostur <andre_at_[hidden]>
> *Subject:* Re: [isocpp-sg14] August SG14 8/13 6 pm ET
> Yeah, it's probably the same re-used link. It also claims Feb 10, a
> few years ago.
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 2:59 PM Matt Bentley via SG14
> <sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > Zoom meeting link is saying it's scheduled for 8am, I'm assuming
> this
> > isn't problematic?
> >
> > On 14/08/2025 2:05 am, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
> > > Hi all, this month's SG14 meeting will be inverted to
> > > accommodate Oceania/Asia time Zones. It will be held at 6 pm ET on
> > > Wednesday instead of the regular 2 pm slot.
> > >
> > > Matthew Bentey will lead some of the discussion on embedded.
> We also
> > > have Patrice game paper.
> > >
> > > Are there any other papers of interest? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> > >
> > > Topic: SG14 monthly
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> > > 1. Opening and introduction
> > >
> > > ISO Code of Conduct
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> > > *>*
> > >
> > > ISO patent policy.
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> > > IEC Code of Conduct:
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> > >
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> > > WG21 Code of Conduct:
> > >
> > >
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> > > practices-and-procedures>
> > >
> > > 1.1 Roll call of participants
> > >
> > > 1.2 Adopt agenda
> > >
> > > 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve
> publishing
> > > previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
> > >
> > > 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
> > >
> > > 2. Main issues (125 min)
> > >
> > > 2.1 General logistics
> > >
> > > 2024 planning
> > > C++23 and C++26 status
> > > CPPCON SG14/19
> > >
> > > Future and past meeting plans
> > >
> > > * Jan 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
> > > * Feb 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Hagenberg F2F; Cancelled
> > > * Mar 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: DST cancelled
> > > * Apr 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * May 7, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > > * June 11, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Sofia F2F cancelled
> > > * July 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: cancelled
> > > * Aug 13, 2025 06:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > > * Sep 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/14
> > > * Oct 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * Nov 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: F2F
> > > * Dec 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.2 Paper reviews
> > > Embedded:
> > > * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
> > > * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
> > > Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
> > >
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> > > low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
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> > >
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> > > low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf>
> > >
> > > Freestanding Updates
> > >
> > > Games paper review
> > >
> > > Arthur's suggestions:
> > > (1) I put in the Slack channel
> > >
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> a while
> > > ago Clang PR #76596
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> <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>>>, from
> > > one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR
> stands much
> > > chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of
> interest to
> > > SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat
> detailed, and
> > > then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
> > >
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> > > (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't
> publish his
> > > email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
> > >
> > > (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit
> relocation
> > > optimizations in the STL"
> > >
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> <https://
> > > quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html
> <http://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html>>> in a
> telecon on
> > > February 20th. (Related blog post.
> > >
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> Might
> > > be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be
> interested in
> > > early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion on Embedded:
> > > Paul's suggestions
> > > The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be
> interested in
> > > knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth
> pursuing.
> > > In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already
> for the
> > > upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if
> so if it has
> > > brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back
> if you see any
> > > relevance in modules.
> > >
> > > Review latest mailings:
> > > P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
> > > Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
> > > P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
> > > We might want to chime in here.
> > > /Paul
> > > P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus"
> straw poll.
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion about Games topics:
> > >
> > > P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or
> Check_and_abort
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
> > >
> > > 2.3.1 SIG chairs
> > >
> > > - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van
> Ooijen and Odin
> > > Holmes, John McFarlane
> > >
> > > - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
> > > Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
> > > - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul
> Hampson, Patrice Roy
> > >
> > > - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy
> Davidson
> > >
> > > 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
> > >
> > > 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
> > >
> > > 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
> > >
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> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 3. Any other business
> > > Reflector
> > >
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> > > lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
> <http://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14>>
> > > As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent
> standards committee
> > > paper mailings:
> > >
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> > > std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
> <http://std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/>>
> > >
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> > > std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
> <http://std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/>>
> > >
> > > Code and proposal Staging area
> > >
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> > > 4. Review
> > >
> > > 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes
> to SG's
> > > working draft]
> > >
> > > 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
> > >
> > > 5. Closing process
> > >
> > > 5.1 Establish next agenda
> > >
> > > 5.2 Future meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > Future and past meeting plans
> > >
> > > * Jan 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
> > > * Feb 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Hagenberg F2F; Cancelled
> > > * Mar 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: DST cancelled
> > > * Apr 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * May 7, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > > * June 11, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Sofia F2F cancelled
> > > * July 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: cancelled
> > > * Aug 13, 2025 06:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > > * Sep 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/14
> > > * Oct 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * Nov 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: F2F
> > > * Dec 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SG14 mailing list
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accomodating my timezone - much appreciated.
Matt
On 8/10/2025 9:33 am, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
> Notes:
>
>
> The meeting discussed the progress and future plans for C++
> standards. C++26 is feature-complete, and C++29 is underway.
> Upcoming events include CPPCON on September 14 and SG 14/SG 19
> meetings on September 17. The team reviewed the implementation of
> Hive/Colony, emphasizing a lower memory cost version for embedded
> systems. Matthew Bentley proposed using a bit set stack to optimize
> memory usage. Patrice provided a progress report on his games paper,
> noting positive feedback and ongoing improvements. The discussion
> also covered the need for padding bits in data structures, with
> concerns about their practicality and potential standardization.
>
>
> Action Items
>
> * [ ] Implement the bit set stack optimization for Hive
> * [ ] Provide an update on the evolution and socialization Games papers
> * [ ] Incorporate feedback and prepare R3 version of the evolution
> Games paper
>
>
>
> Meeting Kickoff and Attendance
>
> * Matthew mentions difficulty in joining meetings due to time zone
> differences and reliance on emails.
> * Michael acknowledges the time difference and confirms attendance
> of various participants including Michael, Andre, Jens, Maurer,
> Khalil, Estelle, Matt Bentley, Patrice, Waugh, Pedro, and Rodrigo.
> * Michael notes the usual ISO code of conduct and patent policies,
> and transitions to the main agenda items: C++23 and C++26 data.
> * Speaker 2 discusses the upcoming CPPCON conference on September 14
> and the SG 14 and SG 19 meetings on September 17.
> * The meeting schedule is outlined: embedded on September 10,
> finance on October 8, face-to-face meeting in Hawaii on November
> 12, and games on December 10.
> * The meeting time is adjusted to accommodate Matthew Bentley and
> Patrice's schedules.
> * Michael asks for topics to be discussed, starting with Matthew.
>
>
> Matthew Bentley's Presentation on Hive/Colony Implementation
>
> * Matthew Bentley presents an implementation for Hive/Colony,
> focusing on a lower memory cost version suitable for embedded and
> scarce platforms.
> * He explains the importance of having alternative implementations
> to avoid being blocked by API indices.
> * Matthew shares his work-in-progress implementation for bitset
> stat, which uses a bit set stack to optimize searching for the
> first one or zero in a bit set.
> * He details the performance benefits of the bit set stack,
> including a significant reduction in search time for large bit sets.
>
>
> Discussion on Hive/Colony Implementation and Call for Volunteers
>
> * Michael and other participants discuss the implications of using a
> bit set stack in Hive/Colony, including potential memory savings
> and performance improvements.
> * Matthew calls for volunteers to help implement the new version of
> Hive/Colony, emphasizing the substantial work required.
> * Michael and other participants ask questions about the
> implementation, including its compatibility with existing
> Hive/Colony specifications and potential standardization efforts.
> * The discussion highlights the need for further exploration and
> potential standardization to ensure the new implementation is
> compatible with existing standards.
>
>
> Patrice's Progress Report on Games Paper
>
> * Patrice provides a progress report on his games paper, mentioning
> that he has submitted two papers and is working on an R1 paper.
> * He discusses the feedback received on the papers and the need to
> address certain issues before the next meeting.
> * Patrice emphasizes the importance of the games paper and the need
> for continued work to ensure it meets the committee's standards.
> * The discussion includes potential changes to the paper based on
> feedback and the need for further collaboration to finalize the work.
>
>
> Feedback on Games Evolution and Socialization Papers
>
> * Patrice discusses the feedback received on the evolution and
> social papers, highlighting the positive and negative reactions.
> * He mentions the need to explore alternative implementations and
> attributes to address the concerns raised.
> * The discussion includes potential changes to the papers based on
> feedback and the need for further exploration to ensure the
> proposals meet the committee's standards.
> * Patrice emphasizes the importance of the feedback and the need for
> continued work to refine the proposals.
>
>
> Discussion on Padding Bits and Reflection
>
> * The discussion shifts to the concept of padding bits and their
> potential use in detecting unused bits in data structures.
> * Participants express concerns about the practicality of padding
> bits and the need for better use cases to justify their inclusion.
> * The potential use of reflection to detect padding bits is
> discussed, with participants highlighting the benefits and
> limitations of this approach.
> * The discussion includes the need for further exploration and
> potential standardization to ensure the feature meets the
> committee's standards.
>
>
> Conclusion and Next Steps
>
> * The meeting concludes with a summary of the key points discussed,
> including the need for further work on the Hive/Colony
> implementation, the games paper, and the padding bits feature.
> * Participants are encouraged to provide feedback and continue
> working on the proposed changes.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 7:43 PM andrew drakeford via SG14
> <sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Many apologies for my absence. I was unwell. However, I will be
> attending CppCon and look forward to meeting you.
>
> Kind regards
> Andrew Drakeford
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* SG14 <sg14-bounces_at_[hidden]> on behalf of Andre
> Kostur via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2025 10:01 PM
> *To:* sg14_at_[hidden] <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> *Cc:* Andre Kostur <andre_at_[hidden]>
> *Subject:* Re: [isocpp-sg14] August SG14 8/13 6 pm ET
> Yeah, it's probably the same re-used link. It also claims Feb 10, a
> few years ago.
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 2:59 PM Matt Bentley via SG14
> <sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > Zoom meeting link is saying it's scheduled for 8am, I'm assuming
> this
> > isn't problematic?
> >
> > On 14/08/2025 2:05 am, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
> > > Hi all, this month's SG14 meeting will be inverted to
> > > accommodate Oceania/Asia time Zones. It will be held at 6 pm ET on
> > > Wednesday instead of the regular 2 pm slot.
> > >
> > > Matthew Bentey will lead some of the discussion on embedded.
> We also
> > > have Patrice game paper.
> > >
> > > Are there any other papers of interest? Thanks.
> > >
> > > Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> > >
> > > Topic: SG14 monthly
> > > Time: 2nd Wednesdays 06:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> > > Every month on the Second Wed,
> > >
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> > > 1. Opening and introduction
> > >
> > > ISO Code of Conduct
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> > > practices-and-procedures>
> > >
> > > 1.1 Roll call of participants
> > >
> > > 1.2 Adopt agenda
> > >
> > > 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve
> publishing
> > > previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
> > >
> > > 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
> > >
> > > 2. Main issues (125 min)
> > >
> > > 2.1 General logistics
> > >
> > > 2024 planning
> > > C++23 and C++26 status
> > > CPPCON SG14/19
> > >
> > > Future and past meeting plans
> > >
> > > * Jan 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
> > > * Feb 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Hagenberg F2F; Cancelled
> > > * Mar 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: DST cancelled
> > > * Apr 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * May 7, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > > * June 11, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Sofia F2F cancelled
> > > * July 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: cancelled
> > > * Aug 13, 2025 06:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > > * Sep 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/14
> > > * Oct 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * Nov 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: F2F
> > > * Dec 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.2 Paper reviews
> > > Embedded:
> > > * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
> > > * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
> > > Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
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> > >
> > > Freestanding Updates
> > >
> > > Games paper review
> > >
> > > Arthur's suggestions:
> > > (1) I put in the Slack channel
> > >
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> a while
> > > ago Clang PR #76596
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> > > one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR
> stands much
> > > chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of
> interest to
> > > SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat
> detailed, and
> > > then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
> > >
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> > > (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't
> publish his
> > > email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
> > >
> > > (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit
> relocation
> > > optimizations in the STL"
> > >
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> <http://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html>>> in a
> telecon on
> > > February 20th. (Related blog post.
> > >
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> Might
> > > be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be
> interested in
> > > early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion on Embedded:
> > > Paul's suggestions
> > > The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be
> interested in
> > > knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth
> pursuing.
> > > In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already
> for the
> > > upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if
> so if it has
> > > brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back
> if you see any
> > > relevance in modules.
> > >
> > > Review latest mailings:
> > > P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
> > > Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
> > > P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
> > > We might want to chime in here.
> > > /Paul
> > > P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus"
> straw poll.
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Discussion about Games topics:
> > >
> > > P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or
> Check_and_abort
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
> > >
> > > 2.3.1 SIG chairs
> > >
> > > - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van
> Ooijen and Odin
> > > Holmes, John McFarlane
> > >
> > > - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
> > > Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
> > > - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul
> Hampson, Patrice Roy
> > >
> > > - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy
> Davidson
> > >
> > > 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
> > >
> > > 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
> > >
> > > 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
> > >
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> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > 3. Any other business
> > > Reflector
> > >
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> > > lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
> <http://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14>>
> > > As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent
> standards committee
> > > paper mailings:
> > >
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fopen-std.org%2Fjtc1%2Fsc22%2Fwg21%2Fdocs%2Fpapers%2F2015%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C9ead3e360bf04a8930fa08dddab503ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638907193168732519%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=x%2FangqcqNUZekjANCvUV%2BbDDz4sxvlBiqfIPpbMSLwo%3D&reserved=0
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> > > std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
> <http://std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/>>
> > >
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> > > std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
> <http://std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/>>
> > >
> > > Code and proposal Staging area
> > >
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> > > 4. Review
> > >
> > > 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes
> to SG's
> > > working draft]
> > >
> > > 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
> > >
> > > 5. Closing process
> > >
> > > 5.1 Establish next agenda
> > >
> > > 5.2 Future meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > Future and past meeting plans
> > >
> > > * Jan 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
> > > * Feb 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Hagenberg F2F; Cancelled
> > > * Mar 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: DST cancelled
> > > * Apr 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * May 7, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > > * June 11, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Sofia F2F cancelled
> > > * July 9, 2025 02:00 PM ET: cancelled
> > > * Aug 13, 2025 06:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > > * Sep 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/14
> > > * Oct 8, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > > * Nov 12, 2025 02:00 PM ET: F2F
> > > * Dec 10, 2025 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > >
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