Thanks Michael... and take care of that cough!

Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 16:03, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
a écrit :

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> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 1:04 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
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>> Topic: SG14 Monthly This meeting is focused on Games and we can continue
>> with the Games paper that
>> was started in January, but we also have several other proposals lined
>> up. Thank you all for the suggestions and happy holidays.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
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>> 1. Opening and introduction
>>
>> ISO Code of Conduct
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>> WG21 Code of Conduct:
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>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
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>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>
> Guy Davidson, Andre Kostur, Ben Deane, Brett, Bryan St.Amour, Henry
> Miller, Jake Favold, Nathan Owen, Patrice Roy, Paul Bendixen. Phil
> Ratzloft, Rene Rivera, Robin Rowe, Vikram, John McFarlane, Michael Wong,
> andrew lumsdaine, Michael caisse,
>
>>
>>
>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>
>> 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>
>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>
>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>
>> 2.1 General logistics
>>
>> 2024 planning
>> C++23 and C++26 status
>>
>> Future and past meeting plans
>>
>> * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
>> * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
>> * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
>> * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
>> * Dec 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>
>> upcoming conferences:
> EMbo++ in Bokum March
> ACCU April
> C++Now open for paper, after ACCU
> CPPNorth: mostly C++ but also multiple languages
>
>
>
>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>>
>> Here is the latest draft of D1709r5 Graph Library for potential review in
>> this week’s SG14 meeting on Wednesday.
>> Enclosed.
>>
> Phil Ratzloff
> Graph Library in the name needed?
> supporting bipartite, multipartite graphs
> graph, adjacency list, edge list interface for some algorithms
> can use existing functionality to transform something into descriptor types
> use existing std containers to define a graph
> customization points used to get targetid
>
> Not hypergraphs, parallel version of the algorithm, incoming edges (are
> outgoing edges of the transpose matrix, and only a very few algo needs
> both) on vertex, not want to limit it in the future
>
> Patrice: Title 1.5: the «with» is misspelled
> Isn't «DistanceValue» a strange name for a type (or type constraint)?
> Maybe it's just me...
> why void fns with output arguments? because we dont want the algorithm to
> allocate so calling code is aware of the expected arguments
> Ribin: why not return Boole? Just a design decision why not write
> exceptions in the throw? We would have to pick a particular type
>
>
> Patrice asks about freestanding concerns and suggest removing it so as not
> to be slowed down
> Breet mentions throws and exceptions causing problems for low-latency
>
> breaking it up into 4 papers, gloassary, terms and definitions,
> FAQ?
> highlights?
> SG6 review?
>
>>
>> Patrice's Games paper review D2966
>>
>> Arthur's suggestions:
>> (1) I put in the Slack channel
>> <https://cpplang.slack.com/archives/C3TK2M6HH/p1703947057425609> a while
>> ago Clang PR #76596 <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>,
>> from one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands
>> much chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest
>> to SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed,
>> and then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
>> <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596#issuecomment-1872601156>.
>> (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his
>> email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
>>
>> (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit relocation
>> optimizations in the STL"
>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html> in a telecon
>> on February 20th. (Related blog post.
>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2024/01/02/bsl-vector-erase/>)
>> Might be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be
>> interested in early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
>>
>>
>> Discussion on Embedded:
>> Paul's suggestions
>> The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in
>> knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
>> In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the
>> upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it has
>> brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see any
>> relevance in modules.
>>
>
> For freestanding
>
> Brtt's networking TS on Low latency.
>
>>
>> Review latest mailings:
>> P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
>> Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
>> P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
>> We might want to chime in here.
>> /Paul
>> P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
>>
>>
>> Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
>>
>> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
>>
>> Patrice's paper on games.
>>
>> P2300
>> Swift
>>
>>
>>
>> Discussion about Games topics:
>>
>> P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
>> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
>>
>> Patrice's WIP on Games issues.
>> Patrice's paper on games.
>>
>> P2300
>> Swift
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>
>> Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
>>
>> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
>>
>> Freestanding?
>>
>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>
>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>
>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>
>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>
>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
>> Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice
>> Roy
>>
>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>
>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>
>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>
>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>
>> -
>>
>> 3. Any other business
>> Reflector
>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
>> paper mailings:
>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>
>> Code and proposal Staging area
>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
>> 4. Review
>>
>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>> working draft]
>>
>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>
>> 5. Closing process
>>
>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>
>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>
>>
>> * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
>> * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
>> * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
>> * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
>> * Dec 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>
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