Thank you, yes this was an unintentional mischaracterization and I will
make sure the final notes reflect your thoughts here. It is always good to
get a balanced view and find a way to move forward. Thank you for the
correction and sorry again.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:38 PM Sophia Poirier <spoirier_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> Hello and just chiming in to correct some mischaracterization here (I
> presume unintentionally) of the status of audio, from the perspective of
> myself as the representative from Apple on the domain. Apple is definitely
> not against an audio library in the STL, however we do think the approach
> of the current proposal has enough problems to leave it serving no
> developer audience effectively (and not just on our platforms). Our paper
> detailing these critiques and suggestions for design is:
> http://wg21.link/P1746
>
> The subsequent audio use cases paper that Michael references is
> http://wg21.link/P2054 and we were supposed to do a follow up survey
> based on it, however that has indeed stalled due to some disagreement
> between authors as to whether we are ready for that or need to expand the
> use cases further.
>
> thanks,
> Sophia
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> Audio:
> Apple don't want it, they are big stakeholder, audio api is good for
> windows and linux,but is a security issue for IOS, breaks model of how they
> handle audio sessions, Timur, Frank B, Sophia P are working on a paper
> authors are busy and don't know how to make progress
> maybe layers such that Apple can opt in at higher layer, like mixing
> channels
>
> Linear Algebra:
> C++ LA paper aiming for a slot for LEWG, BLAS is done
> updating it for concepts and require clauses, should be a shorter paper.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:49 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ring buffer minutes
>> Inbal working on non-atomic version of the ring buffer, but currently
>> busy with executors
>> trying to think about customization points
>> may be ready by next meeting
>>
>> Matthew is helping, Steffan TJ interested based on inhouse
>> implementations in finance
>> Paul B also can help, do you have any github site? Yes
>> its in SG14 github with version of SG14 paper and repo; ay be out of date
>> different people want different things
>> Guy: perhaps a separate telecon for interested parties
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:31 AM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Updated Agenda attached.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:13 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly
>>>>
>>>> This meeting is Embedded focused and is chaired by Ben Craig.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Topic: SG14 monthly Apr 2020-Oct 2020
>>>>
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>>>> Jun 11, 2020 02:00 AM 6UTC
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> 1. Opening and introductions
>>>>
>>> 1.2 Meeting Guidelines
>>> The ISO Code of conduct:
>>> https://www.iso.org/files/live/sites/isoorg/files/store/en/PUB100397.pdf
>>> The IEC Code of Conduct:
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>>>
>>>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>>>
>>>> 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
>>>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>>>
>>>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>>>
>>>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>>>
>>>> 2.1 General logistics
>>>>
>>>> Inverted meeting frequency?
>>>>
>>>> CPPCON logistics
>>>> CPPCON SG14 plans
>>>> CPPCON Embedded Track: Ben Saks
>>>> future C++ Standard meetings:
>>>>
>>>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>>>> Review of
>>>> Freestanding (previously p0829)
>>>> Freestanding Library: Easy Utilities Ben Craig https://wg21.link/P1642
>>>> Freestanding Library: Rewording Status Quo Ben Craig
>>>> https://wg21.link/P1641
>>>> Freestanding Language Ben Craig https://wg21.link/P1105
>>>> Fixed point (and others p0037 )
>>>> CNL (fixed point, elastic numbers et. al) John McFarlane
>>>> https://wg21.link/P0037
>>>> <https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-reading>
>>>> https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-readin
>>>> <https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-reading>g
>>>> ring_buffer ( P0059 does this need a new champion? )
>>>> Ring Buffer Guy, Dan Raviv, Matthew Butler, Inbal Levi
>>>> http://wg21.link/p0059
>>>>
>>>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>>>
>>>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Discuss future direction of detreministic C++ exception group :
>>>>
>>>> Low-cost Deterministic C++ Exceptions for Embedded Systems
>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> https://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/files/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Low-cost
>>>> Deterministic C++ Exceptions for Embedded Systems James Renwick James
>>>> Renwick et al.
>>>>
>>>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>>>
>>>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>>>
>>>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>>>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.edg.com/bin/edit/Wg21belfast/McFarlane?topicparent=Wg21belfast.SG14CPPCON2019-09-17;nowysiwyg=1>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Stephan TJ, Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
>>>> Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
>>>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
>>>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>>>
>>>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>>>
>>>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>>>
>>>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>>>
>>>> - 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
>>>> - 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA
>>>>
>>>> 3. Any other business
>>>> Reflector
>>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>>> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards
>>>> committee
>>>> paper mailings:
>>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>>>
>>>> Code and proposal Staging area
>>>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
>>>> 4. Review
>>>>
>>>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>>>> working draft]
>>>>
>>>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Closing process
>>>>
>>>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>>>
>>>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>>>
>>>> Time: Jul 8, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Embedded: Ben
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> Time: Aug 12, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Fiinance:
>>>> Stephan TJ
>>>>
>>>> Time: Sep 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Security:
>>>> Mathew
>>>> Butler
>>>>
>>>> Time: Oct 14, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada): Games: Rene
>>>>
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