Hello and just chiming in to correct some mischaracterization here (I presume unintentionally) of the status of audio, from the perspective of myself as the representative from Apple on the domain. Apple is definitely not against an audio library in the STL, however we do think the approach of the current proposal has enough problems to leave it serving no developer audience effectively (and not just on our platforms). Our paper detailing these critiques and suggestions for design is: http://wg21.link/P1746 <http://wg21.link/P1746>

The subsequent audio use cases paper that Michael references is http://wg21.link/P2054 <http://wg21.link/P2054> and we were supposed to do a follow up survey based on it, however that has indeed stalled due to some disagreement between authors as to whether we are ready for that or need to expand the use cases further.

thanks,
Sophia


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Audio:
> Apple don't want it, they are big stakeholder, audio api is good for windows and linux,but is a security issue for IOS, breaks model of how they handle audio sessions, Timur, Frank B, Sophia P are working on a paper
> authors are busy and don't know how to make progress
> maybe layers such that Apple can opt in at higher layer, like mixing channels
>
> Linear Algebra:
> C++ LA paper aiming for a slot for LEWG, BLAS is done
> updating it for concepts and require clauses, should be a shorter paper.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:49 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden] <mailto:fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> Ring buffer minutes
> Inbal working on non-atomic version of the ring buffer, but currently busy with executors
> trying to think about customization points
> may be ready by next meeting
>
> Matthew is helping, Steffan TJ interested based on inhouse implementations in finance
> Paul B also can help, do you have any github site? Yes
> its in SG14 github with version of SG14 paper and repo; ay be out of date
> different people want different things
> Guy: perhaps a separate telecon for interested parties
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> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:31 AM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden] <mailto:fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> Updated Agenda attached.
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> Inverted meeting frequency?
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> CPPCON logistics
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> future C++ Standard meetings:
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> Review of
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> Freestanding Library: Easy Utilities Ben Craig https://wg21.link/P1642 <https://wg21.link/P1642>
> Freestanding Library: Rewording Status Quo Ben Craig https://wg21.link/P1641 <https://wg21.link/P1641>
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> <https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-reading>https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-readin <https://github.com/johnmcfarlane/cnl#further-reading>g
> ring_buffer ( P0059 does this need a new champion? )
> Ring Buffer Guy, Dan Raviv, Matthew Butler, Inbal Levi http://wg21.link/p0059 <http://wg21.link/p0059>
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> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
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> Low-cost Deterministic C++ Exceptions for Embedded Systems
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> Low-cost
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> Renwick et al.
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> Reflector
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