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Subject: SG14 Apr 17 Monthly meeting
From: Michael Wong (fraggamuffin_at_[hidden])
Date: 2019-04-17 07:38:47


Hi we are switching to Zoom instead of Webex for our SG14 meetings. Please
let me know if there are additional agenda items.

Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly
Join URL: https://iso.zoom.us/j/406503386
Time: Apr 17, 2019 2:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
    Apr 17, 2019 2:00 PM
    May 8, 2019 2:00 PM
    Jun 12, 2019 2:00 PM
    Jul 10, 2019 2:00 PM
    Aug 14, 2019 2:00 PM
    Sep 11, 2019 2:00 PM
    Oct 9, 2019 2:00 PM
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Agenda:

1. Opening and introductions

1.1 Roll call of participants

1.2 Adopt agenda

1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
 previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org

1.4 Action items from previous meetings

2. Main issues (125 min)

2.1 General logistics

Review last call discussions.

2.2 Paper reviews
2.2.1 Embedded/freestanding vs hosted Summary of freestanding evening
session discussions
http://wiki.edg.com/bin/view/Wg21kona2019/SG14FreestandingImplementations

Outcome from Dec call:
In the SG14 session, he mentioned 2 that he prefers
* Freestanding is signal / interrupt safe
* Freestanding requires no special dispensation from the operating
environment above what freestanding C99 requires

But there are other possible directions
* Freestanding should be as small as possible
* Freestanding has all the same core language features as hosted

Nov Evening Session:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2018/p1376r0.html

2.2.2 Pointer Provedence:

Pointer Provenance. I know this is a WG14 paper. But there is now interest
in following this with a WG21 paper.
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2369.pdf
<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2369.pdf&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1555590655253000&usg=AFQjCNEA6AjXuTUdhbL8PtTJyYfBGcrhzQ>

http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2019/p1434r0.html

2.2.3 Linear Algebra update from April 3rd
http://lists.isocpp.org/sg14/2019/04/0076.php

Next call: May 1 3 PM ET

2.2.4: Any serious study on cost of Exception vs cost of Error Codes

2.2.5 any other proposal for reviews?

2.3 Domain-specific discussions

2.3.1 Embedded domain discussions: Ben Craig, Wooter and Odin Holmes
2.3.3 Games Domain: John McFarlane, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
2.3.4 Finance Domain: Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock, Mateusz Pusz and Clay
Trychta

2.4 Other Papers and proposals

2.5 Future F2F meetings:

2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings

   - *2019-07-15 to 20: Cologne, Germany; *Nicolai Josuttis
   - *2019-11-04 to 09: Belfast, Northern Ireland;* Archer Yates
   -
   - 2020-02-10 to 15: Prague, Czech Republic

- 2020-06-01 to 06: Bulgaria
- 2020-11: (New York, tentative)
- 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA

3. Any other business
Reflector
https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/sg14
As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
paper mailings:
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/

Code and proposal Staging area
https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
4. Review

4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
working draft]

4.2 Review action items (5 min)

5. Closing process

5.1 Establish next agenda

May 8

5.2 Future meeting
Apr 17: todays call
May 8
June 12: June 17 mailing deadline
July 10: likely cancelled due to Cologne Meeting July 15



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