On 2026-06-02T16:51:59-0400, Steve Weinrich via Std-Proposals wrote:
> Just my two cents: No AI!

+1

Make it 4 cents.

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2026, 16:44 Adrian Johnston via Std-Proposals <
> std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> > Recently (2026-02-23) the ISO C++ Directions Group (DG) / WG21 published a
> > document:
> >
> > Strategic Direction for AI in C++: Governance, and Ecosystem
> > https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2026/p4023r0.pdf
> >
> > As one of its findings it identified a problem with "Garbage In, Garbage
> > Out".
> >
> > *The DG sees or recognizes a critical "Garbage In, Garbage Out" problem
> > facing C++ developers using AI. Current models are trained on legacy C++
> > (C++98/03), vendor-specific dialects, and unsafe patterns found online.*
> >
> >
> > I'd say this is an understatement.
> >
> > What I am observing is that high quality websites like
> > https://en.cppreference.com/ are blocking AI search tools because they
> > don't generate advertising revenue. And so my AI (Claude) routinely ends
> > searching for online posts made by people who are confused and asking for
> > help and getting terse responses that may be incomplete at best.
> >
> > Next, if I ask Claude what data it was given about the C++ standard, it
> > says it was trained on "commentary, documentation, and discussion during
> > training — not verbatim text." It can identify final drafts like N4950 as
> > being available, but for some reason it needs to be explicitly encouraged
> > to consult that document.
> >
> > In general, the AI companies are being very careful to avoid been seen to
> > use copywritten data like the C++ standard.
> >
> > If we want AI generated responses and AI generated code to be as modern
> > and correct as possible, I think it would make sense to release the
> > copyright to the AI companies to use in training. And then insist they used
> > that information as purveyors of programming tools.
> >
> > If it is well known that there is no barrier to training an AI correctly
> > on the most recent C++ standard and that users should expect verbatim
> > information, and standards aware code from their AI, then I would hope for
> > some improvement on the current situation. It is very easy to add RLHF
> > training data if the AI company is allowed to use the standard to create it.
> >
> > Oddly enough, Claude is capable of providing more modern code when
> > requested. In general, I find AI has a serious issue where (for no reason)
> > it assumes your software may be 10 years out of date, unless told otherwise.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrian Johnston
> >
> >
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