>
> My questions:
> - Do people agree option 2 is most sensible, or am I overlooking something?
> - Would disallowing overloads (option 1) indeed stop all new ways of
> breaking the ODR allowed by this proposal, and does option 2 indeed stop
> all but contrived ODR breaks?


I personally prefer option 1, because I think that option 2 will result in
a lot of *"Why can't I overload non-static class member functions?"* while
it is allowed to overload PEM functions and since cppreference does not
contain design considerations (which might actually be useful to link to
the paper that proposed the feature) we might simply introduce a lot more
confusion about very selective limitations of a feature, instead of just
refusing function overloading.

Regarding TUs:
I like the idea of restricting a PEM to a single TU. The original idea for
this proposal (as it seems to me at least) is that we don't want to expose
helper functions in a header and polluting the header with potentially
extra includes and symbols.
Using a PEM across TUs should not be possible and users can simply use a
(non-)static non-member function from a separate header file

Op do 30 apr 2026 om 18:06 schreef André Offringa via Std-Proposals <
std-proposals_at_[hidden]>:

> On 4/30/26 01:25, Rhidian De Wit via Std-Proposals wrote:
>
> [..]
> Maybe PEM's should not be allowed to be overloaded with non-static member
> functions of the class? As in, the *private void Foo::F(int) {}* declaration
> would give a compiler error as it overloads a non-static member function of
> *Foo*. This would avoid confusion with programmers (and make teaching
> this more simple) as otherwise there'd be the need to explain why *F(5)* is
> resolving to *F(double)* rather than *F(int)*, which is the better
> fitting match.
>
>
> Thanks for all the input. I have some new questions. Not allowing
> overloading with private extension member functions could indeed be a way
> to prevent the addition of new ways of violating ODR with this proposal. On
> the other hand, it would make the feature slightly less strong, overall.
>
> I see four possible options:
>
> 1) Private extension member functions (PEMFs) may not overload at all.
> It is a simple rule, and a relatively consistent rule but constrains the
> feature the most. I believe this solves all newly created ODR issues.
>
> 2) PEMFs may only overload other PEMFs.
> This is slightly less simple and slightly less consistent (could produce
> "why is this allowed and that not?!" reactions), but also slightly less
> constraining, and allows reusing overloaded functions and extending them
> (see below). This solves most ODR issues, and I think only leaves very rare
> contrived ways of breaking ODR not much different from what functions can
> already do (e.g. for a template class, declare one PEMF overload in the
> header file, one in the implementation file and cause it to be instantiated
> after the header file + after the 2nd PEMF).
>
> 3) As option 2), but also allow overloading constructors.
> Constructors are special, and PEMF constructors might be useful despite
> restrictions (example below). PEMF constructors can still break ODR.
>
> 4) Allow (all) overloading.
> The result is that PEMFs can introduce new ways of violating ODR, but
> allowing this allows for slightly more flexibility in the class design.
>
> I think the 2nd option is a good compromise. I feel that if we allow
> overloading, the way that PEMFs can break ODR by introducing overloads is
> not thát trivial to avoid, i.e. one might break ODR without realizing it.
> If we go for option 4, I could imagine that a "best practice" becomes
> "never overload member functions with PEMFs", so if so, why not enforce it?
> The loss in functionality of overloading seems relatively small, but is not
> negligible either.
>
> Both options 1) and 2) mean that a (delegated) constructors can never be a
> PEMFs. I think that it's somewhat rare that a delegated constructor would
> add dependencies, so the motivation for a PEMF constructor is I think
> small. That said, it's not unthinkable that one wants to initialize the
> class data members using a delegated constructor, and that for that the
> constructor needs to have a signature that has dependencies. Without PEMF
> constructors, these dependencies are then part of the class declaration. I
> think that PEMF constructors are thus more desirable than regular function
> overloading.
>
> With option 2, the functionality of regular function overloading could
> still be created by declaring PEMF overloads with a new name that fwds to
> the non-PEMF for types that it doesn't extend. This way, an overloaded
> function with extension can be made.
>
> A PEMF constructor can break ODR just as a regular function, so I think
> option 3 makes less sense, and is I think the worst balance between
> expressiveness and limiting surprises.
>
> When we taking a safe approach (1 or 2) which is found to be too
> constraining after all, it could be changed to a later option in the list,
> without backward breaking changes.
>
> My questions:
> - Do people agree option 2 is most sensible, or am I overlooking something?
> - Would disallowing overloads (option 1) indeed stop all new ways of
> breaking the ODR allowed by this proposal, and does option 2 indeed stop
> all but contrived ODR breaks?
>
> Regards,
> André
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