Anything i touch for proposal imposes an ABI break.I'm think about starting a brand new C++ from scratch, as a true successor of the actual C++.How bad is that?Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Andre Kostur <andre_at_[hidden]> Date: 11/22/25 6:42 PM (GMT+01:00) To: std-proposals_at_[hidden] Cc: organicoman <organicoman_at_[hidden]> Subject: Re: [std-proposals] The most fair rant on C++ This isn't the right place to have that discussion. What is _your_proposal to fix one or more things that you perceive as an issue?On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 9:32 AM organicoman via Std-Proposals<std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:>> I'm interested to hear the community opinions, and reactions. It tells a lot about the language future.>> In the video he mention this example>> [[no_discard]] constexpr inline auto foo(params...) noexcept -> Ret;>> If we had to redesign the language, what should be the default and what should be opt-in/opt-out?>>>>> Sent from my Galaxy>>> -------- Original message --------> From: Jason McKesson via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]>> Date: 11/22/25 5:55 PM (GMT+01:00)> To: std-proposals_at_[hidden]> Cc: Jason McKesson <jmckesson_at_[hidden]>> Subject: Re: [std-proposals] The most fair rant on C++>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 3:58 AM organicoman via Std-Proposals> <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:> >> > You are right, he does cherry pick many things, but that because we are experts and we can spot them.> > But Is it the same for new comers?>> You're ignoring the actual issue here. Namely, that the video does not> contain good-faith criticisms. Cherry picking is a tactic that is> meant to hide the actual validity of the criticism. Doing it means> that you're deliberately showing the problem in the worst possible> light while wallpapering over counter-evidence.>> This is not something you do if you're trying to have a serious> conversation about serious problems. It's manipulative by its very> nature. If it raises legitimate points, it's only by accident.>> Also, it's AI generated. So not only were the contents prima facie> manipulative, the bad-faith actor couldn't even be bothered to write> the bad faith criticisms themselves.>> Put simply, this video should not be used as evidence for anything.> Bringing it up here is just a waste of everyone's time. It's about as> useful as saying "C++ SUX JK LOL!"> --> Std-Proposals mailing list> Std-Proposals_at_[hidden]> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals> --> Std-Proposals mailing list> Std-Proposals_at_[hidden]> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals