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Re: [std-proposals] Fwd: Dedicated website with AI that has processed all papers

From: Tiago Freire <tmiguelf_at_[hidden]>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2025 18:16:44 +0000
People have submitted papers prior to AI being a thing, they couldn't have granted permission for it to be used for that purpose. Having said that, even after it being a thing, nobody has agreed for it to be used for that purpose.

Given that many may have reasonable objections to using it in this manner, it is safe to say that you don't have the permission to use it in this manner. Unless you want to go around and ask every single author.

But then again, I'm not a cop, nor a lawyer... this is not legal advice.
And if anyone wants to sue you, that's on you.

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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2025 11:56:21 AM
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Cc: Frederick Virchanza Gotham <cauldwell.thomas_at_[hidden]>
Subject: [std-proposals] Fwd: Dedicated website with AI that has processed all papers

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 10:22 AM Oliver Hunt wote:
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>
> In addition to me, other people have also told you that
> you do not have the right to use their work.


You're the only person.

The other people were saying they don't want AI to read their papers.
I've kept a list of those names.

Version 1 of Paper Kernel C++ won't have AI. It will use the Xapian
library to search through papers (i.e. semantic search).

If Version 2 or Version 3 might have AI then we can all argue about
that in the future. Anyway for now I don't have a graphics card so I
can't do AI stuff. (I had plans to buy a fancy laptop with a graphics
card but then I fell in love with a Ducati Diavel, I just couldn't
believe they could put the seat so low on such a powerful bike -- and
of course if you get a Ducati then you need to spend a week's wages on
a decent chain that will take at least 90 seconds to go through with
an angle grinder).


> Instead of acknowledging and respecting this, you have told us
> we do not have the right to our work, you do not respect the work
> or rights of others in the committee, and not only do you not care
> about getting consent of other participants, you will intentionally
> ignore explicit refusal to consent to this.
>
> I do not know what I have done or said to make you feel like I
> don’t have the right to say no.


Because you emailed it to Nevin and said "Please give me a document
number" (I haven't got the email verbatim but I imagine words to those
effect). You submitted that paper to be picked apart, scrutinised and
analysed by tens of thousands of people worldwide. You threw that
paper out into the abyss. It was actually quite brave of you to put
yourself out there like that.

Can we meet half-way on this? What if the Paper Kernel C++ were to
start in 'Sincere Mode' without your papers? You would know that
people who want to respect your wishes have been given the choice to
respect your wishes.
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Received on 2025-07-19 18:16:51