On Wed, 28 May 2025 at 09:41, Andrey Semashev via Std-Proposals
<std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
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> On 28 May 2025 10:36, Jonathan Wakely via Std-Proposals wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 28 May 2025, 00:42 Ville Voutilainen via Std-Proposals, <std-
> > proposals_at_[hidden] <mailto:std-proposals_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> >
> > The proposals aren't ISO publications, they are not in any ISO system
> > (that's why they are P-numbered, not N-numbered), so the only possible
> > copyright holders
> > for them are their authors.
> >
> > IANAL, of course. Don't take that as actual legal advice. It's my
> > understanding of the situation where there is no copyright assignment
> > being made,
> > and no distribution or other kind of license being stated.
> >
> > The copyright of the proposed wording transfers to ISO when it's
> > incorporated into the draft and subsequently to a standard , and
> > proposal authors understand that,
> > but they still hold the sole copyright to their proposal papers,
> > because nothing else is stated.
> >
> > Right, authors retain copyright of papers, and as Oliver said, they're
> > certainly not in the public domain. That's a specific legal term that
> > means they're *not* covered by copyright, so you can't say they're
> > copyrighted and also in the public domain, that's a contradiction.
> >
> > The permission to redistribute the papers (which is needed for them to
> > be hosted online and sent out to the committee) does not imply
> > permission to modify them and create derived works (such as a training
> > set for an LLM). I believe you would need permission from the individual
> > authors for that.
>
> I think, one would need a permission if he intended to distribute that
> LLM or host a publicly accessible service that exposes it to users. But
> one does not need a permission to use papers locally however one wants,
> including training an LLM or using a search engine.

As I said in the part of my email that you didn't quote in the reply:

"I don't know what the legal situation is if you never share the work
based on that training set, and it's only for your personal use on
your own computer. It might be that we can't prevent you from doing
that. But hosting the service online for others to use would be
distributing derived works without permission."