Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:59:49 +0100
On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 14:27 Xiao Yexuan, <bizwen_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> Marking a function as deprecate does not mean deleting it, it may never be
> deleted, it just means that it is discouraged to use.
>
That's not what the standard says it means:
"Normative for the current revision of C++, but having been identified as a
candidate for removal from future revisions."
We now have tools like Clang-tidy that can convert subscripts to iterators,
> although it will slightly reduce efficiency.
>
> *// input: s, "ii", pos*
>
> *// output: p*
>
>
>
> auto p = s.find("ii", pos)
>
> *// equivalent to*
>
> auto i = s.ifind("ii", std::begin(s) + pos);
>
> decltype(s)::size_type p = (i == std::end(s)) ? decltype(s)::npos : std::distance(std::begin(s), i)l;
>
>
>
>
>
> *发件人: *Jonathan Wakely <cxx_at_[hidden]>
> *发送时间: *2023年9月1日 20:40
> *收件人: *std-proposals_at_[hidden]
> *抄送: *萧 叶轩 <bizwen_at_[hidden]>
> *主题: *Re: [std-proposals] Iterators for basic_string and
> basic_string_view find functions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Sept 2023 at 13:19, 萧 叶轩 via Std-Proposals <
> std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Abstract
>
> This paper proposes to add iterator-based versions of the find family of
> functions for basic_string and basic_string_view, and deprecate the
> index-based versions.
>
>
>
> Deprecating the existing functions will needlessly break many, many
> programs. Please don't. They work fine, exactly as they've worked for
> decades.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is to align with the iterator-based interface of the C++ standard
> library. The current use of indices and npos is inconsistent with the C++
> style and causes confusion and inefficiency.
> Motivation
>
> The C++ standard library extensively uses iterators as a generic way to
> access and manipulate elements in a range. Iterators were invented by
> Alexander Stepanov, who also designed the STL, which was later incorporated
> into the standard library. However, std::string predates the invention of
> iterators, and thus its find family of member functions does not use
> iterators, but rather indices and a special value npos to indicate the
> position of elements or substrings. This is unfortunate, as it creates a
> discrepancy between the interface of std::string and other standard
> containers and algorithms.
>
> The use of indices and npos has several drawbacks:
>
> - It is inconsistent with the iterator-based interface of the standard
> library, which makes std::string less compatible with generic algorithms
> and utilities.
> - It confuses users, as npos is a static data member, which might be
> overlooked by someone who is not familiar with C++ or a beginner. This
> increases the learning cost, and conceptually, npos is a magic value.
> - It is inefficient, as it requires extra arithmetic operations to
> convert between indices and iterators, or to check for npos. For example,
> one might need to write something like this:
>
> if (auto pos = s.find(c); pos != std::string::npos) {
>
> auto it = s.begin() + pos;
>
> *// do something with it*
>
> }
>
> This involves an addition operation, which could be avoided if s.find(c) returned
> an iterator directly.
> Proposal
>
> I propose to add a new set of find functions for basic_string and
> basic_string_view, which take and return iterators instead of indices.
> These functions will have the same name as the existing ones, but with an
> “i” prefix. For example:
>
> template<class CharT, class Traits, class Allocator>
>
> constexpr basic_string<CharT, Traits, Allocator>::const_iterator
>
> basic_string<CharT, traits, Allocator>::ifind(CharT ch, basic_string<CharT, Traits, Allocator>::const_iterator first = {}) const noexcept;
>
>
>
> template<class CharT, class Traits>
>
> constexpr basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::const_iterator
>
> basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::ifind(CharT ch, basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::const_iterator first = {}) const noexcept;
>
> These functions will behave similarly to the existing ones, except that
> will return an iterator to the first element of the found substring, or the
> end iterator if not found and they will also take iterators as parameters
> to specify the range to search in, instead of indices. For example:
>
> std::string s {"Hello world"};
>
> auto it = s.ifind("world"); *// returns an iterator to 'w'*
>
> auto it2 = s.ifind("foo"); *// returns s.end()*
>
> auto it3 = s.ifind("ll", s.begin() + 2); *// returns an iterator to 'l'*
>
> auto it4 = s.ifind("ll", s.begin() + 3); *// returns s.end()*
>
> I also propose to deprecate the existing index-based find functions, and
> encourage users to migrate to the new iterator-based ones. This will make
> the interface of basic_string and basic_string_view more consistent with
> the rest of the standard library, and avoid the confusion and inefficiency
> caused by indices and npos.
> References
>
> - [1] Alexander Stepanov, “STL and Its Design Principles”, Talk
> presented at Adobe Systems Inc., 2002.
> - [2] Bjarne Stroustrup, “The Design and Evolution of C++”,
> Addison-Wesley, 1994.
>
>
>
> --
> Std-Proposals mailing list
> Std-Proposals_at_[hidden]
> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals
>
>
>
> Marking a function as deprecate does not mean deleting it, it may never be
> deleted, it just means that it is discouraged to use.
>
That's not what the standard says it means:
"Normative for the current revision of C++, but having been identified as a
candidate for removal from future revisions."
We now have tools like Clang-tidy that can convert subscripts to iterators,
> although it will slightly reduce efficiency.
>
> *// input: s, "ii", pos*
>
> *// output: p*
>
>
>
> auto p = s.find("ii", pos)
>
> *// equivalent to*
>
> auto i = s.ifind("ii", std::begin(s) + pos);
>
> decltype(s)::size_type p = (i == std::end(s)) ? decltype(s)::npos : std::distance(std::begin(s), i)l;
>
>
>
>
>
> *发件人: *Jonathan Wakely <cxx_at_[hidden]>
> *发送时间: *2023年9月1日 20:40
> *收件人: *std-proposals_at_[hidden]
> *抄送: *萧 叶轩 <bizwen_at_[hidden]>
> *主题: *Re: [std-proposals] Iterators for basic_string and
> basic_string_view find functions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Sept 2023 at 13:19, 萧 叶轩 via Std-Proposals <
> std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> Abstract
>
> This paper proposes to add iterator-based versions of the find family of
> functions for basic_string and basic_string_view, and deprecate the
> index-based versions.
>
>
>
> Deprecating the existing functions will needlessly break many, many
> programs. Please don't. They work fine, exactly as they've worked for
> decades.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is to align with the iterator-based interface of the C++ standard
> library. The current use of indices and npos is inconsistent with the C++
> style and causes confusion and inefficiency.
> Motivation
>
> The C++ standard library extensively uses iterators as a generic way to
> access and manipulate elements in a range. Iterators were invented by
> Alexander Stepanov, who also designed the STL, which was later incorporated
> into the standard library. However, std::string predates the invention of
> iterators, and thus its find family of member functions does not use
> iterators, but rather indices and a special value npos to indicate the
> position of elements or substrings. This is unfortunate, as it creates a
> discrepancy between the interface of std::string and other standard
> containers and algorithms.
>
> The use of indices and npos has several drawbacks:
>
> - It is inconsistent with the iterator-based interface of the standard
> library, which makes std::string less compatible with generic algorithms
> and utilities.
> - It confuses users, as npos is a static data member, which might be
> overlooked by someone who is not familiar with C++ or a beginner. This
> increases the learning cost, and conceptually, npos is a magic value.
> - It is inefficient, as it requires extra arithmetic operations to
> convert between indices and iterators, or to check for npos. For example,
> one might need to write something like this:
>
> if (auto pos = s.find(c); pos != std::string::npos) {
>
> auto it = s.begin() + pos;
>
> *// do something with it*
>
> }
>
> This involves an addition operation, which could be avoided if s.find(c) returned
> an iterator directly.
> Proposal
>
> I propose to add a new set of find functions for basic_string and
> basic_string_view, which take and return iterators instead of indices.
> These functions will have the same name as the existing ones, but with an
> “i” prefix. For example:
>
> template<class CharT, class Traits, class Allocator>
>
> constexpr basic_string<CharT, Traits, Allocator>::const_iterator
>
> basic_string<CharT, traits, Allocator>::ifind(CharT ch, basic_string<CharT, Traits, Allocator>::const_iterator first = {}) const noexcept;
>
>
>
> template<class CharT, class Traits>
>
> constexpr basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::const_iterator
>
> basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::ifind(CharT ch, basic_string_view<CharT, Traits>::const_iterator first = {}) const noexcept;
>
> These functions will behave similarly to the existing ones, except that
> will return an iterator to the first element of the found substring, or the
> end iterator if not found and they will also take iterators as parameters
> to specify the range to search in, instead of indices. For example:
>
> std::string s {"Hello world"};
>
> auto it = s.ifind("world"); *// returns an iterator to 'w'*
>
> auto it2 = s.ifind("foo"); *// returns s.end()*
>
> auto it3 = s.ifind("ll", s.begin() + 2); *// returns an iterator to 'l'*
>
> auto it4 = s.ifind("ll", s.begin() + 3); *// returns s.end()*
>
> I also propose to deprecate the existing index-based find functions, and
> encourage users to migrate to the new iterator-based ones. This will make
> the interface of basic_string and basic_string_view more consistent with
> the rest of the standard library, and avoid the confusion and inefficiency
> caused by indices and npos.
> References
>
> - [1] Alexander Stepanov, “STL and Its Design Principles”, Talk
> presented at Adobe Systems Inc., 2002.
> - [2] Bjarne Stroustrup, “The Design and Evolution of C++”,
> Addison-Wesley, 1994.
>
>
>
> --
> Std-Proposals mailing list
> Std-Proposals_at_[hidden]
> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/std-proposals
>
>
>
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