Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 20:53:48 +0000
I do that regularly. There are many tricky parts, among which you want to give them similar amounts of work / efforts to invest.
Also, they won't be learning the same things, so this strategy fits better with students that are close to the end of their training than students who are not, or with classes that are not prerequisites for other classes (since your output profile will be heterogeneous).
One thing that works for me is making them do peer-review of others' code. This way, they know a bit about what the others do, and this reduces the heterogeneity of your students at the end of the semester.
One thing to keep in mind : it's important to have a fallback of sorts if a team does not deliver (sickness, laziness, bugs...) as you don't want the others to suffer.
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De : Tony V E <tvaneerd_at_[hidden]>
Envoyé : mardi 9 juin 2020 14:56
À : SG 20 <sg20_at_[hidden]>
Cc : Patrice Roy <Patrice.Roy_at_[hidden]>
Objet : Re: [SG20] Wonderful story from Brian Kernighan about an assignment he gave to students.
I've often wondered about giving students code from previous students.
Or better yet, give them the code from themselves in first year.
I would also like to give a class different parts of a problem - this group do the UI, this group do the backend, etc. Makes marking harder probably, but is more realistic.
Of course there is also internship for learning those things.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:04 PM Patrice Roy via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
The big problem in schools is that (in my experience, at least) we don't actually have a body of legacy code to provide, and making students use colleagues' sources (something I tried) tends not to give desired results due to... let's call it "emergent quality of implementation" (it's far from professional code that's evolved over time).
I guess we could make a list of relevant open source projects (with reasons why we think they are relevant) or ask partners from the industry to provide some interesting sources for students to play with... We'd need something stable, however, to avoid students accessing the work of previous years' students.
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De : SG20 <sg20-bounces_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20-bounces_at_[hidden]>> de la part de JC van Winkel via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>>
Envoyé : mardi 9 juin 2020 11:47
À : SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>>
Cc : JC van Winkel <jcvw_at_[hidden]<mailto:jcvw_at_[hidden]>>
Objet : Re: [SG20] Wonderful story from Brian Kernighan about an assignment he gave to students.
Glad you liked it.
In general, I like the idea of giving assignments where students need to change software. That is what happens the most in industry.
JC
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Yongwei Wu via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
It is totally fantastic. I watched the ending twice, and then the video in whole. Both Brian and Ken are brilliant!
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 15:58, JC van Winkel via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfOnGZUZDk&feature=youtu.be&t=533<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNTfOnGZUZDk%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26t%3D533&data=02%7C01%7CPatrice.Roy%40usherbrooke.ca%7C93fa0c071cd5474f9f9508d80ca6e9da%7C3a5a8744593545f99423b32c3a5de082%7C0%7C0%7C637273258313620051&sdata=lJ%2BWRWb3F%2Bon2o%2FZVO1WlaTa%2FwRAABe3aVDSWfHMZEs%3D&reserved=0>
(it is the last 30 seconds of a video of the origins of the grep command in UNIX)
JC
Also, they won't be learning the same things, so this strategy fits better with students that are close to the end of their training than students who are not, or with classes that are not prerequisites for other classes (since your output profile will be heterogeneous).
One thing that works for me is making them do peer-review of others' code. This way, they know a bit about what the others do, and this reduces the heterogeneity of your students at the end of the semester.
One thing to keep in mind : it's important to have a fallback of sorts if a team does not deliver (sickness, laziness, bugs...) as you don't want the others to suffer.
________________________________
De : Tony V E <tvaneerd_at_[hidden]>
Envoyé : mardi 9 juin 2020 14:56
À : SG 20 <sg20_at_[hidden]>
Cc : Patrice Roy <Patrice.Roy_at_[hidden]>
Objet : Re: [SG20] Wonderful story from Brian Kernighan about an assignment he gave to students.
I've often wondered about giving students code from previous students.
Or better yet, give them the code from themselves in first year.
I would also like to give a class different parts of a problem - this group do the UI, this group do the backend, etc. Makes marking harder probably, but is more realistic.
Of course there is also internship for learning those things.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:04 PM Patrice Roy via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
The big problem in schools is that (in my experience, at least) we don't actually have a body of legacy code to provide, and making students use colleagues' sources (something I tried) tends not to give desired results due to... let's call it "emergent quality of implementation" (it's far from professional code that's evolved over time).
I guess we could make a list of relevant open source projects (with reasons why we think they are relevant) or ask partners from the industry to provide some interesting sources for students to play with... We'd need something stable, however, to avoid students accessing the work of previous years' students.
________________________________
De : SG20 <sg20-bounces_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20-bounces_at_[hidden]>> de la part de JC van Winkel via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>>
Envoyé : mardi 9 juin 2020 11:47
À : SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>>
Cc : JC van Winkel <jcvw_at_[hidden]<mailto:jcvw_at_[hidden]>>
Objet : Re: [SG20] Wonderful story from Brian Kernighan about an assignment he gave to students.
Glad you liked it.
In general, I like the idea of giving assignments where students need to change software. That is what happens the most in industry.
JC
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Yongwei Wu via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
It is totally fantastic. I watched the ending twice, and then the video in whole. Both Brian and Ken are brilliant!
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 15:58, JC van Winkel via SG20 <sg20_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg20_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfOnGZUZDk&feature=youtu.be&t=533<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNTfOnGZUZDk%26feature%3Dyoutu.be%26t%3D533&data=02%7C01%7CPatrice.Roy%40usherbrooke.ca%7C93fa0c071cd5474f9f9508d80ca6e9da%7C3a5a8744593545f99423b32c3a5de082%7C0%7C0%7C637273258313620051&sdata=lJ%2BWRWb3F%2Bon2o%2FZVO1WlaTa%2FwRAABe3aVDSWfHMZEs%3D&reserved=0>
(it is the last 30 seconds of a video of the origins of the grep command in UNIX)
JC
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