> I'm happy to bring back that paper.

Please do.

- Victor

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:26 PM Corentin Jabot <corentinjabot_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:29 AM Tom Honermann via SG16 <
> sg16_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/23 6:46 PM, Victor Zverovich wrote:
>>
>> > I think it is worth noting that C++23 makes it possible, for the first
>> time, to write a proper version of hello world in C++.
>>
>> This is quite a milestone!
>>
>> In my opinion we should think bigger and tackle the rest of formatted I/O
>> so that we have a proper alternative for all of the stdio and iostreams,
>> and not just parts of them. Elias made great progress on P1729 and I've
>> been investigating how to make it work better with C streams. Hopefully
>> SG16 will have cycles for this paper next year.
>>
>> Bigger is good! And yes, continuing review of P1729 is high on my
>> priority list.
>>
>> For reference, here are the papers that I have at the top of my list to
>> schedule for upcoming meetings, in no particular order. In some cases I
>> need to circle back with authors to confirm whether these are ready for
>> further review.
>>
>> - P1729: Text Parsing
>> - P2626: charN_t incremental adoption: Casting pointers of UTF
>> character types
>> - P2348: Whitespaces Wording Revamp
>> - P2749: Down with ”character”
>> - P2728: Unicode in the Library, Part 1: UTF Transcoding
>> - P2729: Unicode in the Library, Part 2: Normalization
>>
>>
>> It would also be good to have at least parts of the Unicode database
>> available since it is an important building block for other facilities
>> (including std::format) and it is very unfortunate that we only get to use
>> it internally.
>>
>> I agree. I think the challenge is balancing interface simplicity and
>> stability with enabling good performance with enabling use in constexpr
>> context. But I could be overthinking things.
>>
>
> With modules/embed/etc the strategies for efficient constexpr
> implementations are there... I'm happy to bring back that paper.
> It's a fairly simple interface, the question is really with the subset of
> properties we want. Most of the work is for the implementations to generate
> efficient tables/lookup, which is QoL that can be refined over time.
>
>
>
>> Tom.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 3:49 PM Tom Honermann via SG16 <
>> sg16_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> As we head into the end of year holidays, it is a good time to start
>>> thinking about our collective wishes for the next year. Please share your
>>> thoughts on what you would most like to see SG16 focus on and/or accomplish
>>> next year. Don't be afraid to dream big!
>>>
>>> I think it is worth noting that C++23 makes it possible, for the first
>>> time, to write a proper version of hello world in C++. The following is now
>>> standard, portable, C++! https://godbolt.org/z/PYr184q6v
>>>
>>> #include <print>
>>> int main() {
>>> std::println("👋 🌍");
>>> }
>>>
>>> With a little luck, that Compiler Explorer link will demonstrate a
>>> working implementation for gcc in the not too distant future! Perhaps 2024
>>> will also bring back the ability to execute code compiled by the Microsoft
>>> compiler on godbolt.org (I said to dream big!) I did verify locally
>>> that the Microsoft implementation behaves as expected (when the resulting
>>> executable is run inside Microsoft's new terminal).
>>>
>>> When SG16 was first formed back in 2018, I was asked to contribute a brief
>>> bio <https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/wg21#tom-honermann> to add to the WG21
>>> committee members hosted on isocpp.org. A request for a favorite code
>>> fragment was included and I decided to go with the following forward
>>> looking example.
>>>
>>> #include <program_arguments>
>>> #include <environment>
>>> #include <print>
>>> int main() {
>>> std::print(u8"👋 🌍\n"); // Hello world in the universal language of
>>> emoji!
>>> std::print(u8"Hello {}!\n", environment["USER"].as_u8string());
>>> std::print(u8"This program is {}\n", program_arguments[0].as_path());
>>> }
>>>
>>> We're making progress! My personal wish list for 2024 includes getting
>>> the rest of this (or something quite like it) working as standard C++.
>>>
>>> Thank you all for the contributions you bring to SG16 and WG21!
>>>
>>> Tom.
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