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Re: Agenda for the 2022-05-25 SG16 telecon

From: Tom Honermann <tom_at_[hidden]>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 17:59:09 -0400
This is your friendly reminder that this meeting is taking place tomorrow.

I am finalizing updates to D2572R0 now and will communicate an updated
draft before the meeting. I apologize for the limited review time. We
won't poll forwarding it if any concerns are raised.

There has been considerable discussion about L2/22-072R
<https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22072r-uax9-uax31-amd.pdf> in other
replies within this email thread; please try to read those if you
haven't already.


On 5/20/22 12:34 PM, Tom Honermann via SG16 wrote:
> SG16 will hold a telecon on Wednesday, May 25th, at 19:30 UTC
> (timezone conversion
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220525T193000&p1=1440&p2=tz_pdt&p3=tz_mdt&p4=tz_cdt&p5=tz_edt&p6=tz_cest>).
> The agenda is:
> * D2572R0: std::format() fill character allowances
> <https://rawgit.com/tahonermann/std-proposals/master/d2572r0.html>
> o Continue review pending the availability of an updated revision.
> * L2/22-072R: Proposal for amendments to UAX#9 and UAX#31
> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22072r-uax9-uax31-amd.pdf>
> o Review for familiarity and relevance to P1949: C++ Identifier
> Syntax using Unicode Standard Annex 31 <https://wg21.link/p1949>.
> L2/22-072R
> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22072r-uax9-uax31-amd.pdf> was
> produced by the Unicode Source Code Ad-Hoc Group and adopted in April
> into the proposed updates for Unicode 15 per the Draft Minutes of UTC
> Meeting 171 <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22061.htm#171-C25>.
> Thanks are owed to Robin Leroy (CC'd) for bringing this paper to our
> attention. The paper discusses handling of source code that contains
> characters that have right-to-left (RTL) directionality. The changes
> made to UAX#9 (Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm)
> <https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/proposed.html#HL4Example2> (in
> yellow highlight) are concerned with presentation of source code and
> is therefore more of a concern for SG15 (Tooling) where it would be
> applicable to compilers (e.g., in diagnostics), editors, code review
> tools, etc... The changes to UAX#31 (Unicode Identifier and Pattern
> Syntax)
> <https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/proposed.html#Pattern_Syntax>
> (in yellow highlight) clarify that rule UAX31-R3
> <https://unicode.org/reports/tr31/#R3> is applicable to programming
> languages and present an example illustrating how use of LEFT-TO-RIGHT
> MARK (LRM) and RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK (RLM) as whitespace characters (but
> not in isolation) may be desirable so that source code rendered as
> plain text does not present the source code in a confusing or
> surprising manner. The adopted changes suggest (at least) the
> following items for us to consider:
> 1. [uaxid.pattern]p2 <http://eel.is/c++draft/uaxid.pattern#2>, as
> added by P1949 <https://wg21.link/p1949>, states that UAX31-R3
> <https://unicode.org/reports/tr31/#R3> is not applicable to C++
> but in light of the updates above, that is not correct. The entry
> should be updated to state our conformance and possibly declare a
> profile for our use of Pattern_White_Space
> <https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3APattern_White_Space%3A%5D&g=&i=>
> and Pattern_Syntax
> <https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3APattern_Syntax%3A%5D&g=&i=>
> characters.
> 2. Per the example added to UAX31-R3
> <https://unicode.org/reports/tr31/#R3>, consider allowing LRM and
> RLM to appear in whitespace (this would be an additional change to
> consider on top of P2348: Whitespaces Wording Revamp
> <https://wg21.link/p2348> after C++23 pending updated Unicode
> guidance).
> 3. Consider proposing recommended display behaviors to SG15;
> presumably inline with HL4 from UAX#9 section 4.3, "Higher-Level
> Protocols"
> <https://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Higher-Level_Protocols>. My
> understanding is that Microsoft Visual Studio implements this
> behavior. Opportunities for diagnostic improvements can be seen at
> https://godbolt.org/z/MM1xE5dM1 (note that the carat position is
> not aligned with the identifier it intends to highlight; this is
> because the code display and carat location are not in sync with
> regard to how RTL characters affect presentation).
> Tom.

Received on 2022-05-24 21:59:14