Hi all,

I would like to hear about:

  * actual real-world application problems caused by the current {fmt} and Rust behaviour
  * implementation experience of the proposed change, and especially measurements of performance impact in representative usage scenarios.

Until there is some report about this, I would recommend no change.

Best regards,

                     Peter

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Subject: [isocpp-lib-ext] LEWG(I) Weekly review - P2549R0: Should the output of std::print to a terminal be synchronized with the underlying stream?

Hello all,
Today we have a paper in a bit of a different format (😉) -
this is an Info paper, which the fmt library author wrote to notify LEWG of the current behaviour.
Currently there's no action suggested in the paper, but we would like the author to get an indication on the amount of support for the status quo, as well as whether a change is needed.

P2539R0: Should the output of std::print to a terminal be synchronized with the underlying stream? (wg21.link/P2539<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/wg21.link/P2539__;!!EHscmS1ygiU1lA!QjZVReeE9bUgzPAODFm3mlQeK8Jf1FwrBIK8Rb0qfeTThWTigFlEajpaZ5c--w$>)
by: Victor Zverovich

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From the Discussion:
To prevent mojibake std::print may use a native Unicode API when writing to a terminal bypassing the stream buffer. During the review of [P2093]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p2539r0.html*biblio-p2093__;Iw!!EHscmS1ygiU1lA!QjZVReeE9bUgzPAODFm3mlQeK8Jf1FwrBIK8Rb0qfeTThWTigFlEajr5PrNXGQ$> "Formatted output" Tim Song suggested that synchronizing std::print with the underlying stream may be beneficial for gradual adoption.

Some meta data:

  * Bottom Line: Neither {fmt} ([FMT]) nor Rust ([RUST-STDIO]) do such synchronization in their implementations of print.
  * To indicate your opinion on whether a change is needed (reasoning is, of course, welcome):

     * If you support the status quo (no change): please response with "No Change"
     * If you think a change is needed (synchronize the output with the underlying steam): please response "+1"
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Weekly reviews improve quality!
Running weekly reviews allows more iterations on each proposal, which hopefully, in turn, will result in more accurate and subtle fixes.

Thank you for taking the time to review the proposal,
and have a great week!

Inbal Levi