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Re: [SG16] P2295R3 Support for UTF-8 as a portable source file encoding

From: Alisdair Meredith <alisdairm_at_[hidden]>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 10:34:43 -0400
I have a minor concern introducing the “UTF-8 file” as a defined term-of-power
that is restricted to source files, rather than arbitrary files, as that might (or might
not) impact library proposals in the future. Could we define “UTF-8 source file”
instead? I happen to think that also reads better where the term is used, but that
is a matter of taste, so less relevant :)


> On May 6, 2021, at 4:23 AM, Corentin via SG16 <sg16_at_[hidden]> wrote:
> Thanks for your feedback!
> New draft https://isocpp.org/files/papers/D2295R4.pdf <https://isocpp.org/files/papers/D2295R4.pdf>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:07 AM Jens Maurer <Jens.Maurer_at_[hidden] <mailto:Jens.Maurer_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> On 29/04/2021 09.34, Corentin via SG16 wrote:
> > Per request in yesterday's meeting,
> > here is P2295R3 Support for UTF-8 as a portable source file encoding.
> >
> > I am looking forward to your feedback
> >
> > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2295r3.pdf <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2295r3.pdf> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2295r3.pdf <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2295r3.pdf>>
> - I'm not in favor of replacing "physical source file" with something else.
> This is pre-existing terminology and the prose section of the paper does
> not mention any issues with the term. Also, I don't remember any issues
> with the specific term to have been voiced.
> - The text should use "physical source file" consistently and not
> abbreviate it to "source file" on occasion.
> - "is a source file encoded with ..."
> Does that mean there is a source file, and it's encoded as part of
> the process? Maybe "whose encoding scheme is UTF-8..."
> - "defined in ISO/IEC 10646" -> "specified by ..."
> - Do not italicize defined terms more than once (which is where
> the definition of the term is).
> - "An implementation shall support UTF-8 files." Move to the end of
> the paragraph.
> - "If the source file" -> "If a physical source file"
> - "If the source file is determined to be a UTF-8 file, it shall
> represent a well-formed sequence of UTF-8 code units and the scalar
> value of each source character shall be preserved."
> This mixes two levels of "shall"s. The first says is a requirement
> on the file, the second is a requirement on the implementation.
> Better disentangle the two.
> Also, I suggest to drop the second half of that sentence.
> What would we lose? There is no permission elsewhere for the
> implementation to mess with the contents of UTF-8 files,
> so better not confuse Charlie. :-)
> If we don't say that, we never say what happens to the content of the file.
> And this is an important part of the paper.
> Suggested rewrite of the entire paragraph:
> The encoding scheme of a physical source file is determined
> in an implementation-defined manner. An implementation shall
> support (possibly among others) the UTF-8 encoding scheme.
> If the encoding scheme of a physical source file is determined
> to be UTF-8, the physical source file shall consist of a well-formed
> sequence of UTF-8 code units as specified by ISO/IEC 10646.
> The sequence of source file characters is the sequence of characters
> encoded by the UTF-8 code units of the physical source file.
> The term character is still completely vacuous. Worse, using the UCS definition, this puts a requirement
> that the scalar values are assigned, which is not the intent. I think it would be great to avoid using ambiguous terms where we can avoid it!
> - In the next paragraph, the parenthetical about new-lines should
> use commas instead (it's normatively relevant).
> - "Any source
> file character not in the basic source character set is replaced by the universal-character-
> name that designates that character."
> is applicable to both cases, so should be in a separate paragraph.
> But that's going to be fixed by my translation character set paper
> anyway.
> Jens
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