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Subject: Re: UK national body concerns about P1885R1 'Naming Text Encodings to Demystify Them'
From: Corentin (corentin.jabot_at_[hidden])
Date: 2020-03-24 14:37:57


On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 18:58, Hubert Tong <hubert.reinterpretcast_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Tom Honermann via SG16 <
> sg16_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/20 10:36 AM, keld--- via SG16 wrote:
>> > thee is already an iso std for this namely iso 15897.
>> > it is posix compatible and compatible with c and c++
>> >
>> > and it is compatible with the iana registry, made by some of the same
>> people
>>
>> Keld, I don't understand this reference. From what I can tell, ISO
>> 15897 doesn't specify a set of encoding names. What we're looking for
>> is a set of names to use to refer to specific encodings.
>>
> http://std.dkuug.dk/cultreg/registrations/chreg.htm
> The "charmap" entries look to be what is being referred to.
>

Please note the incompleteness of this list

>
>
>> Tom.
>>
>> >
>> > keld
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:25:57AM +0000, Peter Brett via SG16 wrote:
>> >> Hi Corentin,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for replying so promptly! I personally agree that there is
>> nothing more suitable available.
>> >>
>> >> One of the suggestions that was made in the UK national body meeting
>> was that there could be an International Standard nomenclature for text
>> encodings, possibly as part of the Unicode effort. Do you think that it
>> would be useful?
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> From: Corentin <corentin.jabot_at_[hidden]>
>> >> Sent: 24 March 2020 09:35
>> >> To: Peter Brett <pbrett_at_[hidden]>
>> >> Cc: sg16_at_[hidden]; Roger Orr <rogero_at_[hidden]>;
>> guy_at_[hidden]
>> >> Subject: Re: UK national body concerns about P1885R1 'Naming Text
>> Encodings to Demystify Them'
>> >>
>> >> EXTERNAL MAIL
>> >> Hey!
>> >> Thanks for your feedback
>> >>
>> >> A few things:
>> >>
>> >> * It does not evolve a lot (Neither the database nor the proposal are
>> forward looking - RFC3808 is from 2004)
>> >> * There is nothing more complete (or more official)
>> >> * It has vendor buy in (form Microsoft and IBM for which it maps to
>> their code page), the same names are also used by iconv on unix system
>> >> * It is widely used by browsers, mail clients
>> >> * We have experience with referencing rfc in the standards.
>> >> * If this is still a concern, we could duplicate the entire thing in
>> the standard - which I would recommend against.
>> >>
>> >> That standard registry is pivotal to the proposal portability. we need
>> to agree on names and meaning.
>> >>
>> >> I hope that helps,
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Corentin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 09:26, Peter Brett <pbrett_at_[hidden]<mailto:
>> pbrett_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>> >> Hi Corentin and SG16,
>> >>
>> >> We discussed P1885R1 briefly in the British Standards Institute
>> meeting yesterday.
>> >>
>> >> We support the general direction of the paper and agree that it seeks
>> to solve a real problem. We support further work.
>> >>
>> >> We have significant concerns about the proposal to rely on the IANA
>> registry and RFC2978/RFC3808 process, including a normative reference to
>> the Character Sets database. The Character Sets database is not an
>> International Standard and is maintained by a process that appears to
>> provide neither the quality assurance nor the checks and balances built
>> into the ISO process.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Peter
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