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Subject: Re: UK national body concerns about P1885R1 'Naming Text Encodings to Demystify Them'
From: Hubert Tong (hubert.reinterpretcast_at_[hidden])
Date: 2020-03-24 12:57:56


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Tom Honermann via SG16 <
sg16_at_[hidden]> wrote:

> On 3/24/20 10:36 AM, keld--- via SG16 wrote:
> > thee is already an iso std for this namely iso 15897.
> > it is posix compatible and compatible with c and c++
> >
> > and it is compatible with the iana registry, made by some of the same
> people
>
> Keld, I don't understand this reference. From what I can tell, ISO
> 15897 doesn't specify a set of encoding names. What we're looking for
> is a set of names to use to refer to specific encodings.
>
http://std.dkuug.dk/cultreg/registrations/chreg.htm
The "charmap" entries look to be what is being referred to.

> Tom.
>
> >
> > keld
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:25:57AM +0000, Peter Brett via SG16 wrote:
> >> Hi Corentin,
> >>
> >> Thanks for replying so promptly! I personally agree that there is
> nothing more suitable available.
> >>
> >> One of the suggestions that was made in the UK national body meeting
> was that there could be an International Standard nomenclature for text
> encodings, possibly as part of the Unicode effort. Do you think that it
> would be useful?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> From: Corentin <corentin.jabot_at_[hidden]>
> >> Sent: 24 March 2020 09:35
> >> To: Peter Brett <pbrett_at_[hidden]>
> >> Cc: sg16_at_[hidden]; Roger Orr <rogero_at_[hidden]>;
> guy_at_[hidden]
> >> Subject: Re: UK national body concerns about P1885R1 'Naming Text
> Encodings to Demystify Them'
> >>
> >> EXTERNAL MAIL
> >> Hey!
> >> Thanks for your feedback
> >>
> >> A few things:
> >>
> >> * It does not evolve a lot (Neither the database nor the proposal are
> forward looking - RFC3808 is from 2004)
> >> * There is nothing more complete (or more official)
> >> * It has vendor buy in (form Microsoft and IBM for which it maps to
> their code page), the same names are also used by iconv on unix system
> >> * It is widely used by browsers, mail clients
> >> * We have experience with referencing rfc in the standards.
> >> * If this is still a concern, we could duplicate the entire thing in
> the standard - which I would recommend against.
> >>
> >> That standard registry is pivotal to the proposal portability. we need
> to agree on names and meaning.
> >>
> >> I hope that helps,
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Corentin
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 09:26, Peter Brett <pbrett_at_[hidden]<mailto:
> pbrett_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
> >> Hi Corentin and SG16,
> >>
> >> We discussed P1885R1 briefly in the British Standards Institute meeting
> yesterday.
> >>
> >> We support the general direction of the paper and agree that it seeks
> to solve a real problem. We support further work.
> >>
> >> We have significant concerns about the proposal to rely on the IANA
> registry and RFC2978/RFC3808 process, including a normative reference to
> the Character Sets database. The Character Sets database is not an
> International Standard and is maintained by a process that appears to
> provide neither the quality assurance nor the checks and balances built
> into the ISO process.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Peter
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