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Subject: Re: [SG16-Unicode] D1953 Unicode Identifiers And Reflection
From: Tom Honermann (tom_at_[hidden])
Date: 2019-11-27 07:56:49


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Tom.

On 11/18/19 6:55 PM, Zach Laine via SG16 wrote:
> Thanks for the link; I had forgotten all about that page.  The
> guidance to use the phrase "an integral part of the Unicode standard"
> seems definitive.
>
> Zach
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:48 PM Tom Honermann via SG16
> <sg16_at_[hidden] <mailto:sg16_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>
> On 11/18/19 5:04 PM, Steve Downey via SG16 wrote:
>> Yes, once we add the identifier rules. Although I'm not sure if
>> it's technically part of the Unicode Standard or a separate
>> standard.
>
> It is a "Standard Annex" according to
> https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/tr31-31.html. I'm not sure
> how "standard annexes", "technical standards", and "technical
> reports" are differentiated; they all have link names of "tr##".
>
> Guidance for how to reference the annexes is available at
> http://www.unicode.org/versions/index.html#Unicode_Standard_Annexes.
>
> Tom.
>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM Zach Laine via SG16
>> <sg16_at_[hidden] <mailto:sg16_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>>
>> That sounds pretty clearly like Annex #31 needs to be added
>> to the standard's normative references, independent of 10646.
>>
>> Zach
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:10 AM Steve Downey via SG16
>> <sg16_at_[hidden] <mailto:sg16_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>>
>> Annex U just says:
>>
>> The Unicode Consortium publishes a document "UAX 31 -
>> Identifier and Pattern Syntax" to assist in the
>> standard treatment of identifiers in UCS character-based
>> parsers. Those specifications are recommended
>> for determining the list of UCS characters suitable for
>> use in identifiers. The document is available at
>>
>> http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 06:20 <keld_at_[hidden]
>> <mailto:keld_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>>
>> yes I would think so, but I prefer to use ISo specks
>> when possible.
>>
>> keld
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 06:16:23PM -0500, Steve
>> Downey wrote:
>> > Probably the same as TR31 from the Unicode Standard?
>> >
>> > https://unicode.org/reports/tr31/
>> >
>> > We will be revisiting using that for 23, and have
>> not ruled out treating it
>> > as fixing a defect report.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 17:22 <keld_at_[hidden]
>> <mailto:keld_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > the annex of 10646 in question is Annex U
>> (informative) Characters in
>> > > identifiers .
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > keld
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 08:48:52AM +0100,
>> keld_at_[hidden] <mailto:keld_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I think weshould use the spec in iso 10646 on
>> characters to be used for
>> > > identifiers,
>> > > > this is most likely the same as the unicode spec.
>> > > >
>> > > > keld
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 09:26:53AM +0100,
>> Corentin wrote:
>> > > > > Hello.
>> > > > > Attached to SG-7, SG-16 and at this link
>> > > > > https://isocpp.org/files/papers/D1953R0.pdf
>> is a late paper (mostly
>> > > > > targeting the hallway track) about the impact
>> of Unicode identifiers
>> > > on the
>> > > > > reflection proposals
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Corentin
>> > > >
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