Topic: SG14 Monthly This meeting is focused on Games and we can continue with the Games paper that
was started in January, but we also have several other proposals lined up. Thank you all for the suggestions and happy holidays.
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1.1 Roll call of participants
1.2 Adopt agenda
1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
1.4 Action items from previous meetings
2. Main issues (125 min)
2.1 General logistics
2024 planning
C++23 and C++26 status
Future and past meeting plans
* Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games* Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
* Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
* Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
* June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
* July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
* Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
* Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
* Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
* Dec 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
2.2 Paper reviews
Here is the latest draft of D1709r5 Graph Library for potential review in this week’s SG14 meeting on Wednesday.
Enclosed.
Patrice's Games paper review
Arthur's suggestions:
(1) I put
in the Slack channel a while ago
Clang PR #76596, from one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands much chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest to SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed, and then there's
more discussion/debate in the comments. (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
Discussion on Embedded:Paul's suggestions
The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it has brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see any relevance in modules.
Review latest mailings:P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers conceptBased on the last meeting and the discussions here.P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematicWe might want to chime in here./PaulP. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topicshttp://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdfPatrice's paper on games.P2300SwiftDiscussion about Games topics: P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort<http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>Patrice's WIP on Games issues.Patrice's paper on games.P2300Swift2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwickhttps://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdfFreestanding?SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=02.3 Domain-specific discussions2.3.1 SIG chairs - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin Holmes, John McFarlane - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃmCarl Cooke, Neal Horlock, - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice Roy - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson2.4 Other Papers and proposals2.5 Future F2F meetings:2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings-3. Any other businessReflectorhttps://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committeepaper mailings:http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/Code and proposal Staging areahttps://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG144. Review4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG'sworking draft]4.2 Review action items (5 min)5. Closing process5.1 Establish next agenda5.2 Future meeting* Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games* Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
* Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
* Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
* June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
* July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
* Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
* Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
* Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
* Dec 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance