Thanks Matt!

We'll discuss it formally in SG14, I think, as you suggested. You might remember from previous meetings that there's a 40+ pages working document that collects a lot of info on the various requests, and I deliberately did not go in detail in the Progress Report document (I hope to forward the information gathered so far in the individual papers to come to give the authors -- myself included -- a start).

There has been a preliminary «culling down» in SG14 already but I'm sure we could do more. Some of it is implicit as similar efforts end up making progress on other fronts (you mention Zach, there's also Corentin who's made progress recently on some of these topics independently of SG14, David Stone too). We'll gather as much info as we can in the next meeting (Guy suggested Wednesday... Michael, what do you think?) to polish the progress report further.

Cheers!

Le sam. 1 juil. 2023 à 19:28, Matt Bentley <mattreecebentley@gmail.com> a écrit :

Thanks Patrice -

a few minor comments, overall it looks great.

"Many have reported that design styles tend to change (monadic
programming, functional programming, lazy execution) making it harder to
grasp what’s going on from the source code (it’s « more magic »)"

This line is unclear - do they mean design styles of the std:: library
(eg. switching to ranges etc)? And what is the meaning of the <<more
magic>> line?

"Call stacks that are too deep make debugging harder" - a note here
regarding what makes them deep eg. heavy templating, ranges, might be useful

"SOO-Enabled vector" & "InplaceContainer<Size> Inheriting from Container
Pattern" - check with Zach Laine for static_vector (now "inplace_vector"
I think)

"Move semantics are perceived as important but too easy to misuse " - I
think this comes under QOI, so, really down to people to report issues
to their compiler-of-choice.

The rest of it looks good, I think a SG14 meeting would be the right
place to cull the number of requests down to a manageable (and
actionable) number and to disqualify examples which are more QOI. Would
be good to have Guy Davidson present as a senior member of gamedev to
provide feedback.

Cheers-

On 1/07/2023 9:10 am, Patrice Roy via SG14 wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> Before I ask for a paper number, this would be what I would add to the
> mailing (modulo some adjustments to make it more professional such as
> moving references to a dedicated section and such). The «cleaned up»
> version would be the progress report asked by SG14.
>
> Of course, we will need authors / co-authors after that :)
>
> Take a look and please send feedback before I finish this and make it
> into an official progress report. Cheers!
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