Apple don't want it, they are big stakeholder, audio api is good for windows and linux,but is a security issue for IOS, breaks model of how they handle audio sessions, Timur, Frank B, Sophia P are working on a paper
authors are busy and don't know how to make progress
maybe layers such that Apple can opt in at higher layer, like mixing channels

Linear Algebra:
C++ LA paper aiming for a slot for LEWG, BLAS is done
updating it for concepts and require clauses, should be a shorter paper.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:49 PM Michael Wong <> wrote:
Ring buffer minutes
Inbal working on non-atomic version of the ring buffer, but currently busy with executors
trying to think about customization points
may be ready by next meeting

Matthew is helping, Steffan TJ interested based on inhouse implementations in finance
Paul B also can help, do you have any github site? Yes
its in SG14 github with version of SG14 paper and repo; ay be out of date
different people want different things
Guy: perhaps a separate telecon for interested parties

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:31 AM Michael Wong <> wrote:
Updated Agenda attached.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:13 PM Michael Wong <> wrote:

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1. Opening and introductions

1.2 Meeting Guidelines
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1.1 Roll call of participants

1.2 Adopt agenda

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1.4 Action items from previous meetings

2. Main issues (125 min)

2.1 General logistics

Inverted meeting frequency?

CPPCON logistics
CPPCON SG14 plans
CPPCON Embedded Track: Ben Saks
future C++ Standard meetings:

2.2 Paper reviews

Review of 
Freestanding (previously p0829)
Freestanding Library: Easy UtilitiesBen Craig
Freestanding Library: Rewording Status QuoBen Craig
Freestanding LanguageBen Craig
Fixed point (and others p0037 )
CNL (fixed point, elastic numbers et. al)John McFarlane
ring_buffer (  P0059 does this need a new champion? )
Ring BufferGuy, Dan Raviv, Matthew Butler, Inbal Levi

2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?

SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:

Discuss future direction of detreministic C++ exception group :

Low-cost Deterministic C++ Exceptions for Embedded Systems

Deterministic C++ Exceptions for Embedded Systems James Renwick James
Renwick et al.

2.3 Domain-specific discussions

2.3.1 SIG chairs

   - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
   Holmes, John McFarlane

   - Financial/Trading chairs: Stephan TJ, Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
   Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
   - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
   - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson

2.4 Other Papers and proposals

2.5 Future F2F meetings:

2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:

- 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
- 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA

3. Any other business
As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
paper mailings:

Code and proposal Staging area
4. Review

4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
working draft]

4.2 Review action items (5 min)

5. Closing process

5.1 Establish next agenda

5.2 Future meeting

Time: Jul 8, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Embedded: Ben

Time: Aug 12, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Fiinance: Stephan TJ

Time: Sep 9, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) : Security: Mathew

Time: Oct 14, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada): Games: Rene