That said, while I had too many papers due on deadline day. I have no
excuse for my errors. I will try to do better next time.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 11:41 AM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The February minutes haven't been published yet — I'll get those out
> shortly.
>
> The networking constraints in Section 2 reflect discussions that go back
> quite a while in SG14 — this has been a recurring theme from our finance
> and embedded constituencies for years. That said, R0 stated the position
> too specifically and drew some justified criticism for naming specific
> proposals rather than articulating requirements. I have R1 ready, which
> rewrites Section 2 to frame SG14's architectural constraints (zero
> allocation on the hot path, transparent cost model, coroutine-optional,
> framework independence) without recommending for or against any specific
> proposal. R1 also corrects an error in Section 4.2 regarding the status of
> P1112 and P1847.
>
> Please feel free to circulate R1.
>
> Best,
> Michael
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 8:52 AM John McFarlane via SG14 <
> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> Did the February minutes come out yet? I noticed some discussion online
>> regarding section 2.1 of p4029 and wanted to recall what was discussed.
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 at 06:32, Michael Wong via SG14 <
>> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, this month's SG14 meeting will be focused on Embedded and any other
>>> topics.
>>> Please suggest any other papers of interest? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>>
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>>>
>>> 1. Opening and introduction
>>>
>>> ISO Code of Conduct
>>> <
>>>
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>>>
>>> IEC Code of Conduct:
>>>
>>> https://www.iec.ch/basecamp/iec-code-conduct-technical-work
>>>
>>> WG21 Code of Conduct:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>>>
>>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>>
>>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>>
>>> 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve publishing
>>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>>
>>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>>
>>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>>
>>> 2.1 General logistics
>>>
>>> 2026 planning
>>>
>>> Future and past meeting plans
>>>
>>> * Jan 14, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Feb 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> * Mar 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled, F2F
>>> * Apr 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * May 13, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * June 10, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F cancelled
>>> * July 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> * Aug 12, 2026 06:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * Sep 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/12-18
>>> * Oct 7, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Nov 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F, cancelled
>>> * Dec 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>>> Embedded:
>>> * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
>>> * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
>>> Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
>>>
>>> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
>>>
>>> Freestanding Updates
>>>
>>> Games paper review
>>>
>>> Arthur's suggestions:
>>> (1) I put in the Slack channel
>>> <https://cpplang.slack.com/archives/C3TK2M6HH/p1703947057425609> a while
>>> ago Clang PR #76596 <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>,
>>> from
>>> one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands much
>>> chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest to
>>> SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed, and
>>> then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
>>> <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596#issuecomment-1872601156
>>> >.
>>> (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his
>>> email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
>>>
>>> (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit relocation
>>> optimizations in the STL"
>>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html> in a
>>> telecon on
>>> February 20th. (Related blog post.
>>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2024/01/02/bsl-vector-erase/>) Might
>>> be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be interested
>>> in
>>> early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion on Embedded:
>>> Paul's suggestions
>>> The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in
>>> knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
>>> In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the
>>> upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it
>>> has
>>> brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see
>>> any
>>> relevance in modules.
>>>
>>> Review latest mailings:
>>> P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
>>> Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
>>> P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
>>> We might want to chime in here.
>>> /Paul
>>> P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
>>>
>>> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion about Games topics:
>>>
>>> P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
>>> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>>
>>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>>
>>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>>
>>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>>
>>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
>>> Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
>>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>>
>>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>>
>>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>>
>>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> 3. Any other business
>>> Reflector
>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards
>>> committee
>>> paper mailings:
>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>>
>>> Code and proposal Staging area
>>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
>>> 4. Review
>>>
>>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>>> working draft]
>>>
>>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>>
>>> 5. Closing process
>>>
>>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>>
>>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>>
>>>
>>> Future and past meeting plans
>>>
>>> * Jan 14, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Feb 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> * Mar 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled, F2F
>>> * Apr 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * May 13, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * June 10, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F cancelled
>>> * July 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> * Aug 12, 2026 06:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * Sep 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/12-18
>>> * Oct 7, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Nov 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F, cancelled
>>> * Dec 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
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