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Re: [isocpp-sg14] SG14 Feb 2025 monthly call

From: Scott Dixon <scottd.thirtytwo_at_[hidden]>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 09:47:21 -0800
I was hoping to get feedback on this proposal:
https://github.com/thirtytwobits/shared_reference/blob/main/docs/ref_owner_concept.md
It's not a paper yet because I'm first looking for general guidance for the
legitimacy of the concept and if people think it's something that should be
formalized or if this is just better released as a stand-alone open-source
library.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 1:28 AM Guy Davidson via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> I’m going to have to offer my apologies yet again as I will be unable to
> make this. I remain interested, but my schedule is, as you might imagine,
> rather tighter nowadays.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> G
>
>
>
> *From:* SG14 <sg14-bounces_at_[hidden]> *On Behalf Of *Michael Wong
> via SG14
> *Sent:* 11 February 2026 06:32
> *To:* Low Latency:Game Dev/Financial/Trading/Simulation/Embedded Devices <
> sg14_at_[hidden]>
> *Cc:* Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
> *Subject:* [isocpp-sg14] SG14 Feb 2025 monthly call
>
>
>
> Hi all, this month's SG14 meeting will be focused on Embedded and
> any other topics.
> Please suggest any other papers of interest? Thanks.
>
> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>
> Topic: SG14 monthly
> Time: 2nd Wednesdays 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> Every month on the Second Wed,
>
> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
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> Agenda:
>
> 1. Opening and introduction
>
> ISO Code of Conduct
> <
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> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1
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> ISO patent policy.
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> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2
>
> IEC Code of Conduct:
>
> https://www.iec.ch/basecamp/iec-code-conduct-technical-work
>
> WG21 Code of Conduct:
>
>
> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>
> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>
> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>
> 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve publishing
> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>
> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>
> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>
> 2.1 General logistics
>
> 2026 planning
>
> Future and past meeting plans
>
> * Jan 14, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * Feb 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> * Mar 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled, F2F
> * Apr 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> * May 13, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * June 10, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F cancelled
> * July 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> * Aug 12, 2026 06:00 PM ET: Finance
> * Sep 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/12-18
> * Oct 7, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * Nov 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F, cancelled
> * Dec 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>
>
> 2.2 Paper reviews
> Embedded:
> * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
> * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
> Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
>
> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
>
> Freestanding Updates
>
> Games paper review
>
> Arthur's suggestions:
> (1) I put in the Slack channel
> <https://cpplang.slack.com/archives/C3TK2M6HH/p1703947057425609> a while
> ago Clang PR #76596 <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>,
> from
> one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands much
> chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest to
> SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed, and
> then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
> <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596#issuecomment-1872601156>.
> (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his
> email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
>
> (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit relocation
> optimizations in the STL"
> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html> in a telecon
> on
> February 20th. (Related blog post.
> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2024/01/02/bsl-vector-erase/>) Might
> be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be interested in
> early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
>
>
> Discussion on Embedded:
> Paul's suggestions
> The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in
> knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
> In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the
> upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it has
> brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see any
> relevance in modules.
>
> Review latest mailings:
> P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
> Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
> P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
> We might want to chime in here.
> /Paul
> P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
>
>
> Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
>
> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> Discussion about Games topics:
>
> P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>
>
>
> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>
> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>
> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>
> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
> Holmes, John McFarlane
>
> - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
> Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice Roy
>
> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>
> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>
> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>
> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>
> -
>
> 3. Any other business
> Reflector
> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
> paper mailings:
> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>
> Code and proposal Staging area
> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
> 4. Review
>
> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
> working draft]
>
> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>
> 5. Closing process
>
> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>
> 5.2 Future meeting
>
>
> Future and past meeting plans
>
> * Jan 14, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * Feb 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> * Mar 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled, F2F
> * Apr 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> * May 13, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * June 10, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F cancelled
> * July 8, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> * Aug 12, 2026 06:00 PM ET: Finance
> * Sep 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON 9/12-18
> * Oct 7, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Games
> * Nov 11, 2026 02:00 PM ET: F2F, cancelled
> * Dec 9, 2026 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
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Received on 2026-02-11 17:47:36