I am happy to talk about P3375 reproducible floating-point arithmetic but I
have already had plenty of SG14/19 time. I've just submitted R1 to the
papers system, but I would much rather defer to other papers.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 at 15:52, Bryan St. Amour via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> I may be a bit late, but I should be able to join today's call.
>
> On Tue, Oct 08, 2024 at 04:07:20PM -0400, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
> > Hi, this SG14 meeting will focus on Embedded.
> > We can also continue the discussion on P2966. Are there any other papers?
> >
> >
> > P2966R0 – Making C++ Better for Game Developers: Progress Report
> > https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2023/p2966r1.pdf
> >
> > Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> > Other then Patrice's ongoing Games paper, are there ny other discussions?
> >
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> > 1. Opening and introduction
> >
> > ISO Code of Conduct
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> > IEC Code of Conduct:
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> > https://www.iec.ch/basecamp/iec-code-conduct-technical-work
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> > WG21 Code of Conduct:
> >
> >
> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
> >
> > 1.1 Roll call of participants
> >
> > 1.2 Adopt agenda
> >
> > 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve publishing
> > previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
> >
> > 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
> >
> > 2. Main issues (125 min)
> >
> > 2.1 General logistics
> >
> > 2024 planning
> > C++23 and C++26 status
> > CPPCON SG14/19
> >
> > Future and past meeting plans
> >
> > * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
> > * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded DONE
> > * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
> > * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance DONE
> > * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
> > * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29 DONE
> > * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance DONE
> > * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
> > * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled DONE
> > * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
> > * Dec 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> >
> > 2.2 Paper reviews
> > Embedded:
> > * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
> > * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
> > Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
> >
> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
> >
> > Freestanding Updates
> >
> > Games paper review
> >
> > Arthur's suggestions:
> > (1) I put in the Slack channel
> > <https://cpplang.slack.com/archives/C3TK2M6HH/p1703947057425609> a while
> > ago Clang PR #76596 <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>,
> from
> > one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands much
> > chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest to
> > SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed, and
> > then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
> > <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596#issuecomment-1872601156
> >.
> > (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his
> > email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
> >
> > (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit relocation
> > optimizations in the STL"
> > <https://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html> in a
> telecon on
> > February 20th. (Related blog post.
> > <https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2024/01/02/bsl-vector-erase/>) Might
> > be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be interested
> in
> > early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
> >
> >
> > Discussion on Embedded:
> > Paul's suggestions
> > The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in
> > knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
> > In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the
> > upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it
> has
> > brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see
> any
> > relevance in modules.
> >
> > Review latest mailings:
> > P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
> > Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
> > P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
> > We might want to chime in here.
> > /Paul
> > P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
> >
> >
> > Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
> >
> > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Discussion about Games topics:
> >
> > P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
> > <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
> >
> >
> >
> > SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
> >
> > 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
> >
> > 2.3.1 SIG chairs
> >
> > - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
> > Holmes, John McFarlane
> >
> > - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
> > Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
> > - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice
> Roy
> >
> > - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
> >
> > 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
> >
> > 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
> >
> > 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
> > https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
> >
> > -
> >
> > 3. Any other business
> > Reflector
> > https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
> > As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards
> committee
> > paper mailings:
> > http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
> > http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
> >
> > Code and proposal Staging area
> > https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
> > 4. Review
> >
> > 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
> > working draft]
> >
> > 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
> >
> > 5. Closing process
> >
> > 5.1 Establish next agenda
> >
> > 5.2 Future meeting
> >
> >
> > * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
> > * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded DONE
> > * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
> > * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance DONE
> > * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
> > * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29 DONE
> > * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
> > * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
> > * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
> > * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
> > * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
> > * Dec 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>
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