I am unable to attend this time, as I am helping my stepson move out!
Yaaaay!

I remain interested and hope to join you next month.

Cheers,
G

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 03:01, Patrice Roy via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> I'm giving an optimization class during the meeting tomorrow so I cannot
> attend (where I live, professors were on strike late 2023 and I _need_ the
> money from those extra classes these days!), but I think trivial relocation
> should be on the menu (P1444, P2786) should be discussed at least to make
> sure that LEWG discussions from today find their way into SG14 and everyone
> is informed.
>
> I don't know what approach SG14 will prefer, but I'm convinced SG14 wants
> trivial relocation to happen, so examining the competing approaches and
> having an informed stance seems to be necessary (at least to me).
>
> Really looking forward to being with you all ASAP my friends!
>
> Le mar. 9 avr. 2024 à 16:24, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi, this SG14 meeting will focus on Finance/Low Latency
>>
>> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>
>> Topic: SG14 monthly
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>>
>> 1. Opening and introduction
>>
>> ISO Code of Conduct
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>> IEC Code of Conduct:
>>
>> https://www.iec.ch/basecamp/iec-code-conduct-technical-work
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>> WG21 Code of Conduct:
>>
>>
>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>>
>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>
>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>
>> 1.3 Approve minutes from the previous meeting, and approve publishing
>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>
>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>
>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>
>> 2.1 General logistics
>>
>> 2024 planning
>> C++23 and C++26 status
>>
>> Future and past meeting plans
>>
>> * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
>> * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded DONE
>> * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
>> * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
>> * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
>> * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
>> * Dec 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>
>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>> Embedded:
>> * P3132 Accept attributes with user-defined prefixes
>> * P3134 Attribute [[asserts_rvo]]
>> Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
>>
>> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
>>
>> Freestanding Updates
>>
>> Games paper review
>>
>> Arthur's suggestions:
>> (1) I put in the Slack channel
>> <https://cpplang.slack.com/archives/C3TK2M6HH/p1703947057425609> a while
>> ago Clang PR #76596 <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596>,
>> from
>> one Max Winkler, apparently in game dev. I don't think the PR stands much
>> chance of getting merged into Clang; but it might still be of interest to
>> SG14 folks. The issue description is very long and somewhat detailed, and
>> then there's more discussion/debate in the comments
>> <https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/76596#issuecomment-1872601156
>> >.
>> (I'd actually be interested in talking to Max, but he doesn't publish his
>> email address on GitHub and I guess that might be on purpose.)
>>
>> (2) LEWG will be seeing my P3055 "Relax wording to permit relocation
>> optimizations in the STL"
>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/draft/d3055-relocation.html> in a telecon
>> on
>> February 20th. (Related blog post.
>> <https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2024/01/02/bsl-vector-erase/>) Might
>> be interesting to folks who do EASTL-style containers. I'd be interested
>> in
>> early feedback and/or telecon attendance.
>>
>>
>> Discussion on Embedded:
>> Paul's suggestions
>> The next meeting would then be Embedded and I would be interested in
>> knowing if people think a module std.freestanding is worth pursuing.
>> In that context I'd like to get some feedback perhaps already for the
>> upcoming meeting, if people have started using modules, and if so if it
>> has
>> brought the promised expectations or if you are holding back if you see
>> any
>> relevance in modules.
>>
>> Review latest mailings:
>> P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
>> Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
>> P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
>> We might want to chime in here.
>> /Paul
>> P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
>>
>>
>> Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
>>
>> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Discussion about Games topics:
>>
>> P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
>> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>
>>
>>
>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>
>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>
>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>
>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>
>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Robin Rowe, Staffan TjernstrÃm
>> Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice
>> Roy
>>
>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>
>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>
>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>
>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>
>> -
>>
>> 3. Any other business
>> Reflector
>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
>> paper mailings:
>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>
>> Code and proposal Staging area
>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
>> 4. Review
>>
>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>> working draft]
>>
>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>
>> 5. Closing process
>>
>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>
>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>
>>
>> * Jan 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games DONE
>> * Feb 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded DONE
>> * Mar 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled due to Tokyo 3-18-23
>> * Apr 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * May 8, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * June 12, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded; St.louis 6-24-29
>> * July 10, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>> * Aug 14, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Games
>> * Sep 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: CPPCON Sept 15-20 so cancelled
>> * Oct 9, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>> * Nov 13, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled Wroclaw F2F
>> * Dec 11, 2024 02:00 PM ET: Finance
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