Hi,
Sorry, I won't be available for this one also.
All the best,
John

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 16:36, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

> Thank you for the great work, Patrice.
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:04 AM Patrice Roy via SG14 <
> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I'll be absent today (I'm giving a C++ class to a nice group of game devs
>> at that time).
>>
>> Update with respect to P2966 (wg21.link/p2966), which I presented (twice)
>> at CppCon 2023 (if you want to see it and can live with my accent, it's
>> available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qaYyB4dU3I) :
>>
>> * I spoke to some of the early contributors to that effort just this week
>> and we are planning to write a few papers for the Tokyo 2023 meeting
>> * The intent for these first few papers is to target things that would be
>> difficult or not quite possible to express portably with C++23, probably
>> with respect to some of the attributes summarily described in P2966
>> * I asked these contributors to «put their ideas on paper» and I'll try
>> to turn these into actual papers.
>> *Once I have them, I will bring them to SG14 to get feedback (and, if all
>> goes well, a recommendation to bring them to the Tokyo WG21 meeting), so I
>> hope to have some follow-up for a late-January / early February SG14
>> meeting. Hope to see you all there!
>>
>> If some of you have interest in (co) authoring papers from the P2966
>> list, please let me know soon and we can proceed along the same lines. It
>> would help if, for the subject you want to tackle, you could provide:
>>
>> * An explanation of the problem we are facing and of its consequences on
>> the C++ code we write
>> * One or a new tables showing code before and after the (hopeful)
>> adoption of the proposal (what we often call Tony Tables, as Tony Van Eerd
>> has been advocating them for a long while)
>> * Why the alternative solutions (if any) we could write without the
>> proposal are unsatisfactory
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 13 déc. 2023 à 01:25, Michael Wong via SG14 <
>> sg14_at_[hidden]> a écrit :
>>
>>> Topic: SG14 Monthly This meeting is focused on Finance but we can
>>> continue with the Games paper that
>>> was started in January, depending on what other papers or topics are of
>>> interest.
>>>
>>>
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>>> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>>
>>> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>>
>>> 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
>>> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>>
>>> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>>
>>> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>>
>>> 2.1 General logistics
>>>
>>> CPPCON planning
>>> C++23 and C++26 status
>>>
>>> Future and past meeting plans
>>>
>>> *Mar 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> *Apr 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * May 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * June 14, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * July 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * Aug 9, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * Sep 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Oct 1: CPPCON
>>> * Oct 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> *Nov 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Kona F2F Cancelled
>>> * Dec 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>>
>>> 2.2 Paper reviews
>>> Discussion on Embedded:
>>> Review latest mailings:
>>> P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
>>> Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
>>> P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
>>> We might want to chime in here.
>>> /Paul
>>> P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics
>>>
>>> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf
>>>
>>> Patrice's paper on games.
>>>
>>> P2300
>>> Swift
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion about Games topics:
>>>
>>> P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
>>> <http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>
>>>
>>> Patrice's WIP on Games issues.
>>>
>>> Finance topics from July 14, 2021.
>>>
>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/sg14/2021/06/0636.php
>>>
>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/sg14/2021/07/0642.php
>>>
>>> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>>
>>> Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
>>>
>>> https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf
>>>
>>> Freestanding?
>>>
>>> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>>
>>> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>>
>>> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>>
>>> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
>>> Holmes, John McFarlane
>>>
>>> - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan TjernstrÃm
>>> Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
>>> - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>>>
>>> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>>
>>> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>>
>>> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>>
>>> -
>>>
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>>> Reflector
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>>> committee
>>> paper mailings:
>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>>> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>>
>>> Code and proposal Staging area
>>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
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>>>
>>> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
>>> working draft]
>>>
>>> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>>
>>> 5. Closing process
>>>
>>> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>>
>>> 5.2 Future meeting
>>>
>>>
>>> *Mar 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> *Apr 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * May 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * June 14, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * July 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
>>> * Aug 9, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
>>> * Sep 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Games
>>> * Oct 1: CPPCON
>>> * Oct 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
>>> *Nov 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Kona F2F Cancelled
>>> * Dec 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
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