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From: John McFarlane via SG14<mailto:sg14_at_[hidden]>
Sent: 13 September 2023 18:25
To: Low Latency:Game Dev/Financial/Trading/Simulation/Embedded Devices<mailto:sg14_at_[hidden]>
Cc: John McFarlane<mailto:john_at_[hidden]>
Subject: Re: [SG14] SG14 monthly meeting Sept 12 2023

Sorry, won't make this one due to family commitments.

On Wed 13 Sep 2023, 07:56 Guy Davidson via SG14, <sg14_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg14_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
Unfortunately I am at an AI conference and am unlikely to be able to attend. I look forward to the minutes.

Cheers,
G

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 22:08, Michael Wong via SG14 <sg14_at_[hidden]<mailto:sg14_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
Correction: the meeting is on Wednesday Sept 13, 2023.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:59 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]<mailto:fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
Topic: SG14 Monthly This meeting is focused on Games and we can continue with the Games paper that
was started in January, depending on what other papers or topics are of
interest.

We will also be announcing a new finance Subgroup chair. Thank you.

Hi,

Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

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Agenda:

1. Opening and introduction

ISO Code of Conduct
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ISO patent policy.
https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2

IEC Code of Conduct:

https://www.iec.ch/basecamp/iec-code-conduct-technical-work

WG21 Code of Conduct:

https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures

1.1 Roll call of participants

1.2 Adopt agenda

1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
 previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org

1.4 Action items from previous meetings

2. Main issues (125 min)

2.1 General logistics

CPPCON planning
C++23 and C++26 status

Future and past meeting plans

*Mar 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
*Apr 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* May 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* June 14, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* July 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* Aug 9, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* Sep 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Games
* Oct 1: CPPCON
* Oct 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
*Nov 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Kona F2F Cancelled
* Dec 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance

2.2 Paper reviews
Discussion on Embedded:
Review latest mailings:
P2532 Removing exception_ptr from the receivers concept
Based on the last meeting and the discussions here.
P2544 C++ Exceptions are becoming more and more problematic
We might want to chime in here.
/Paul
P. S. P2327 de-deprecating volatile received a "consensus" straw poll.


Discussion on Low Latency/Finance topics

http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p1839r4.pdf

Patrice's paper on games.

P2300
Swift



Discussion about Games topics:

 P2388R1 - Minimum Contract Support: either Ignore or Check_and_abort
<http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2021/p2388r1.html>

Patrice's WIP on Games issues.

Finance topics from July 14, 2021.

https://lists.isocpp.org/sg14/2021/06/0636.php

https://lists.isocpp.org/sg14/2021/07/0642.php

2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?

Deterministic Exception for Embedded by James Renwick
https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/78829292/low_cost_deterministic_C_exceptions_for_embedded_systems.pdf

Freestanding?

SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0

2.3 Domain-specific discussions

2.3.1 SIG chairs

   - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
 Holmes, John McFarlane

   - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan TjernstrÃm
Carl Cooke, Neal Horlock,
   - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson, Patrice Roy

   - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson

2.4 Other Papers and proposals

2.5 Future F2F meetings:

2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings

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3. Any other business
Reflector
https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
paper mailings:
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/

Code and proposal Staging area
https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
4. Review

4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
working draft]

4.2 Review action items (5 min)

5. Closing process

5.1 Establish next agenda

5.2 Future meeting


*Mar 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
*Apr 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* May 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* June 14, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* July 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
* Aug 9, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Cancelled
* Sep 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Games
* Oct 1: CPPCON
* Oct 10, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Embedded
*Nov 8, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Kona F2F Cancelled
* Dec 12, 2023 02:00 PM ET: Finance
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