Thanks to Rene Ferdinand Riviera Morell for chairing.
Matthew Bentley, Maxime Laine, patch cam, Paul Bauman, Paul bendixen, Pedro
Oliveira, Roberto Bagnara, Ronen Friedman, Staffan Tjernstrom
Jonas Jensen, John Mcfarlaine, JF Basttien, Jeffrey Mendelsohn, Jan Babst,
Inbal Levi, Henry Miller, Edward Catchpole, Dave Bartolomeo, Conor Horman,
Charles Bay , Carlos Chacon, Billy Baker, Ben Saks, Ben Craig, Andrew
Lumsdaine, Andreas Vaselinovic, Guy Davidson, Rene Riviera, Michael Wong,
Emmanuel, Damon McDougall, Sophia Poirier



On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:01 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>
wrote:

>
> Updated and corrected agenda. Note this meeting will be chaired by Rebe
> Ferdinand Rivera Morell.
>
> Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly
>
> This meeting is a Games focused meeting.
>
>
>
> proposed by Matthew Butler in May 2020 Sg14 meeting.
>
> Hi,
>
> Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>
> Topic: SG14 monthly Dec 2020-Feb 2021
> Time: Jan 13, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> Every month on the Second Wed, until Feb 10, 2021, 3 occurrence(s)
> Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM
> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM
> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM
> Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to your
> calendar system.
> Monthly:
>
> https://iso.zoom.us/meeting/tJcscuigqD8pHNESxi1bJ9ClURVqr_ZAvmv1/ics?icsToken=98tyKuCrrz4rEtKRsx-CRowqBY_4d_zwpilego14rwfsUiJ5OyD6A9B0I6BAKvnG
>
> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
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> Or Skype for Business (Lync):
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> Agenda:
>
> 1. Opening and introduction
>
> ISO Code of Conduct
> <
> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1
> >
>
> ISO patent policy.
>
> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2
>
> WG21 Code of COnduct:
>
>
> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>
> 1.1 Roll call of participants
>
> 1.2 Adopt agenda
>
> 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
> previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>
> 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>
> 2. Main issues (125 min)
>
> 2.1 General logistics
>
> Future meeting plans
>
> Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Safety Security DONE
> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900UTC: Games
> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Embedded
>
> 2.2 Paper reviews
>
> If anyone has any feedback on the latest draft of the colony proposal
> (
> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14/blob/master/Docs/Proposals/D0447R12%20-%20Introduction%20of%20colony%20to%20the%20Standard%20Library.html
> )
> before I submit it, particularly from the gaming field, they're welcome
> to bring it up, however we've been over that proposal several times in
> meetings, to the extent it's a bit done to death, so I don't expect
> anything new from anyone at this point. There may be more pertinent
> things to discuss-
> M@
>

Matthew Bentley presenting
been forwared to LEWG, after SG14
LEWG review Feb 2nd
general purpose unordered insertion container
Matt has worked with Jens to address wording,
hard to get through 23 now, due to ipeline being full
similar to flat containers and that is already in the pipeline
any wording review done early will help LWG
any perception this has no impl experience then people will be mre
conservative, needs broad impl expereince,
Billy Baker LEWGI
Ben Craig, Vice chair Library Evolution
Inbal Library evolution
JF Language Evolution

proxy=Guy Davidson









> 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>
> SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>
> LA syntax: Klaus implementing
LA BLAS: in LEWG
intrusive containers: Isabella may restart, Hal's paper is similar
Ring buffer: dont wait for Lawrence, get a list of differences
Trivially relocatable connect with gaspar
member layout control: similar to Hal using attributes, reflection related

> 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>
> 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>
> - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen and Odin
> Holmes, John McFarlane
>
Wouter's concern on atomics with , Paul Bendixen may collaborate on this
a third party macro, not controlled or discussed in committee, not to be
done on reddit
write down the concern, may not need a paper

   - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan Tjernström, Carl Cooke, Neal
> Horlock,
> Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
>
 paper on ring buffer use case
not just games
any messaging ,or network card is a ring buffer

   - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
>


> No Games meeting in December in future!
>


> - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy Davidson
>
> 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>

Security has a paper submitted by Matthew, and now there will be a
discussion by the chairs suggestion is through reflector, mail.

> 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>
> 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>
> - 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
> - 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA Cancelled
>
> 3. Any other business
> Reflector
> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
> As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards committee
> paper mailings:
> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
> http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>
> Code and proposal Staging area
> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14
> 4. Review
>
> 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to SG's
> working draft]
>
> 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>
> 5. Closing process
>
> 5.1 Establish next agenda
>
> 5.2 Future meeting
>
> Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Games:
>
> Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Embedded :
>
> Kind Rgds
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:37 PM René Ferdinand Rivera Morell via SG14 <
> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
>> We can put it as an item in the agenda as a "Speak now or forever hold
>> your peace" question.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:16 PM Matt Bentley via SG14 <
>> sg14_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone has any feedback on the latest draft of the colony proposal
>>> (
>>> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14/blob/master/Docs/Proposals/D0447R12%20-%20Introduction%20of%20colony%20to%20the%20Standard%20Library.html)
>>>
>>> before I submit it, particularly from the gaming field, they're welcome
>>> to bring it up, however we've been over that proposal several times in
>>> meetings, to the extent it's a bit done to death, so I don't expect
>>> anything new from anyone at this point. There may be more pertinent
>>> things to discuss-
>>> M@
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/01/2021 9:25 am, Michael Wong via SG14 wrote:
>>> > Hi all, are there agenda items people would like to bring up for
>>> > tomorrow's meeting? This one is Games focused. Happy Holidays.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 3:24 PM Michael Wong <fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]
>>> > <mailto:fraggamuffin_at_[hidden]>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Topic: SG14 Low Latency Monthly
>>> >
>>> > This meeting is a special meeting to gather interest in Safety and
>>> > Security
>>> > proposed by Matthew Butler in May 2020 Sg14 meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Michael Wong is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Topic: SG14 monthly Dec 2020-Feb 2021
>>> > Time: Jan 13, 2020 02:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>> > Every month on the Second Wed, until Feb 10, 2021, 3
>>> occurrence(s)
>>> > Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM
>>> > Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM
>>> > Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM
>>> > Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics)
>>> files
>>> > to your
>>> > calendar system.
>>> > Monthly:
>>> >
>>> https://iso.zoom.us/meeting/tJcscuigqD8pHNESxi1bJ9ClURVqr_ZAvmv1/ics?icsToken=98tyKuCrrz4rEtKRsx-CRowqBY_4d_zwpilego14rwfsUiJ5OyD6A9B0I6BAKvnG
>>> > <
>>> https://iso.zoom.us/meeting/tJcscuigqD8pHNESxi1bJ9ClURVqr_ZAvmv1/ics?icsToken=98tyKuCrrz4rEtKRsx-CRowqBY_4d_zwpilego14rwfsUiJ5OyD6A9B0I6BAKvnG
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
>>> >
>>> https://iso.zoom.us/j/93151864365?pwd=aDhOcDNWd2NWdTJuT1loeXpKbTcydz09
>>> > <
>>> https://iso.zoom.us/j/93151864365?pwd=aDhOcDNWd2NWdTJuT1loeXpKbTcydz09>
>>> > Password: 789626
>>> >
>>> > Or iPhone one-tap :
>>> > US: +12532158782,,93151864365# or +13017158592,,93151864365#
>>> > Or Telephone:
>>> > Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current
>>> > location):
>>> > US: +1 253 215 8782 or +1 301 715 8592 or +1 312 626 6799
>>> or +1
>>> > 346 248 7799 or +1 408 638 0968 or +1 646 876 9923 or +1 669 900
>>> 6833
>>> > or 877 853 5247 (Toll Free)
>>> > Meeting ID: 931 5186 4365
>>> > Password: 789626
>>> > International numbers available:
>>> > https://iso.zoom.us/u/abRrVivZoD <https://iso.zoom.us/u/abRrVivZoD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Or Skype for Business (Lync):
>>> > https://iso.zoom.us/skype/93151864365
>>> > <https://iso.zoom.us/skype/93151864365>
>>> >
>>> > Agenda:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Opening and introduction
>>> >
>>> > ISO Code of Conduct
>>> > <
>>> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1
>>> > <
>>> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=20882226&objAction=Open&nexturl=%2Flivelink%2Flivelink%3Ffunc%3Dll%26objId%3D20158641%26objAction%3Dbrowse%26viewType%3D1
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > ISO patent policy.
>>> >
>>> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2
>>> > <
>>> https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/3770791/Common_Policy.htm?nodeid=6344764&vernum=-2
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > WG21 Code of COnduct:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>>> > <
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/standing-documents/sd-4-wg21-practices-and-procedures
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1.1 Roll call of participants
>>> >
>>> > 1.2 Adopt agenda
>>> >
>>> > 1.3 Approve minutes from previous meeting, and approve publishing
>>> > previously approved minutes to ISOCPP.org
>>> >
>>> > 1.4 Action items from previous meetings
>>> >
>>> > 2. Main issues (125 min)
>>> >
>>> > 2.1 General logistics
>>> >
>>> > Future meeting plans
>>> >
>>> > Dec 9, 2020 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Safety Security DONE
>>> > Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900UTC: Games
>>> > Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM ET/1900 UTC: Embedded
>>> >
>>> > 2.2 Paper reviews
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2.2.1 any other proposal for reviews?
>>> >
>>> > SG14/SG19 features/issues/defects:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>> > <
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JnUJBO72QVURttkKr7gn0_WjP--P0vAne8JBfzbRiy0/edit#gid=0
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2.3 Domain-specific discussions
>>> >
>>> > 2.3.1 SIG chairs
>>> >
>>> > - Embedded Programming chairs: Ben Craig, Wouter van Ooijen
>>> and Odin
>>> > Holmes, John McFarlane
>>> >
>>> > - Financial/Trading chairs: Staffan Tjernström, Carl Cooke,
>>> > Neal Horlock,
>>> > Mateusz Pusz, Clay Trychta,
>>> > - Games chairs: Rene Riviera, Guy Davidson and Paul Hampson
>>> > - Linear Algebra chairs: Bob Steagall, Mark Hoemmen, Guy
>>> Davidson
>>> >
>>> > 2.4 Other Papers and proposals
>>> >
>>> > 2.5 Future F2F meetings:
>>> >
>>> > 2.6 future C++ Standard meetings:
>>> >
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings
>>> > <
>>> https://isocpp.org/std/meetings-and-participation/upcoming-meetings>
>>> >
>>> > - 2020-11: (New York, tentative) Cancelled.
>>> > - 2021-02-22 to 27: Kona, HI, USA Cancelled
>>> >
>>> > 3. Any other business
>>> > Reflector
>>> > https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>> > <https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14>
>>> > As well as look through papers marked "SG14" in recent standards
>>> > committee
>>> > paper mailings:
>>> > http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/
>>> > <http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/>
>>> > http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/
>>> > <http://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2016/>
>>> >
>>> > Code and proposal Staging area
>>> > https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14 <
>>> https://github.com/WG21-SG14/SG14>
>>> > 4. Review
>>> >
>>> > 4.1 Review and approve resolutions and issues [e.g., changes to
>>> SG's
>>> > working draft]
>>> >
>>> > 4.2 Review action items (5 min)
>>> >
>>> > 5. Closing process
>>> >
>>> > 5.1 Establish next agenda
>>> >
>>> > 5.2 Future meeting
>>> >
>>> > Jan 13, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Games:
>>> >
>>> > Feb 10, 2021 02:00 PM Eastern Time ( 1900 UTC ): Embedded :
>>> >
>>> > Kind Rgds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > SG14 mailing list
>>> > SG14_at_[hidden]
>>> > https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SG14 mailing list
>>> SG14_at_[hidden]
>>> https://lists.isocpp.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/sg14
>>>
>>
>>
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