No, this is a separate idea (Rust has this sentinel optional).

With my idea, the user does not designate a sentinel value (for example, for std::optional<int> one does not exist in general). Instead the user (or standard) designates a value to be used when the optional is disengaged. This allows (e.g.) the move constructor to uncondionally move the carried  T instead of dancing around it.

On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 08:11 -0500, Jeremy Rifkin via Std-Proposals wrote:
Hello,
I’ve seen this sort of thing before as a “sentinel optional” where one value is set aside to represent null (typically the min or max value for integer types). It would require a customization point to provide sentinel values for other types. I’m not sure this is a good fit for the standard library but I’ve found it useful before. It tends to be a fairly small optimization relative to std::optional.

Jeremy

On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 04:33 Avi Kivity via Std-Proposals <std-proposals@lists.isocpp.org> wrote:
Consider std::optional<T>.

The move constructor has to check if the moved-from optional is
engaged, and if so, move-construct the contained T. Similarly other
special functions have to take actions conditionally. The destructor
has to check if the optional is engaged and only invoke T::~T() if
that's the case.

However, if we had a way to cheaply create a T, we could use that and
avoid all the conditionals. Let's say the protocol is


template <typename T>
struct construct_empty {};


template <>
struct construct_empty<my_lovely_type> {
    static void operator()(my_lovely_type* where) noexcept;
};

If construct_empty is specialized for a T, then optional<T>'s default
constructor could initialize the contained T whether or not the
optional is engaged or not, and all the conditionals for the special
methods would disappear. For trivially constructible standard types,
construct_empty would do nothing. For many standard types, we could
call the default constructor. The user could opt-in for cheaply
constructible user types, often just calling the default constructor.

This seems related to trivial relocation, just from the other side as
it were. Maybe opt-in should also be via an attribute.