On 03/01/2026 20:09, Frederick Virchanza Gotham via Std-Proposals wrote:
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> On Saturday, January 3, 2026, Jason McKesson wrote:
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> I find it both curious and apropos that you frame using LLMs as
> equivalent to an *addiction.*
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> That's not the comparison I was trying to make. The comparison I was
> trying to make is that in some situations, when you disallow something,
> the result is that it still happens just as much as beforehand, but just
> that it's done more secretly. The exceptions to this are:
> a) You have a way of enforcing it
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> b) You hit a moral nerve
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> I'm not denying that some people will stop using an LLM the moment they
> learn that they're not allowed to -- these people are a small minority
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By default, on any binary distinction, everyone is in the "majority"
rather than the "minority" until demonstrated otherwise. You are
accusing all of us on this list now and in the future, and everyone
involved in the C++ standardisation process, of being dishonest and
without moral backbones. Since you believe use of LLM makes it easier
to write proposals and makes them better, you are accusing the majority
of proposal writers of being too lazy or incompetent to do a good job
themselves, and saying they would rather lie, cheat and steal as long as
they think they won't get caught.

I find that attitude repulsive and insulting. It says a lot about you,
and not in a good way, that you would think that way about the people
here. Those who contribute to the C++ standards put a great deal of
dedication, effort, thought, knowledge and experience into the task,
usually with very little direct concrete reward - they gain reputation,
and the warm fuzzy feeling from knowing they are playing their part in a
large team that is making the C++ world and its millions of programmers
a little better.

There are, of course, some people who will use LLM's as tools because
they hope it will help them express their ideas better - they want to
contribute, but know their C++ knowledge or their command of English is
not as good as they want. I would expect the /vast/ majority of those
people to stop doing so in connection with the C++ proposals when they
learn that such tools may not be used.

The majority of the people in this world - C++ programmers or not - are
better people than you seem to think.