Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 12:46:17 -0400
On 9/27/22 12:39, Jason McKesson via Std-Proposals wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:21 PM Phil Bouchard via Std-Proposals
> <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/27/22 11:55, Sebastian Wittmeier via Std-Proposals wrote:
>>
>> Hello Phil,
>>
>> can you share the .pdf documentation of C++ superset on this list (without having to download and install the complete framework)?
>>
>> Nice of you, if you want to contribute something useful and workable.
>>
>> Thanks for your constructive comments. Here is the documentation; it works in multithreaded mode as well:
>>
>> https://fornux.com/files/pdf/Superset_Manual.pdf
>>
>>
>> (In the following I share my personal impression, how it will go. But I do not make the rules.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to propose an extension to the Core Language, the patent landscape has to be in a way that the improved language can be still compiled or processed by open source _and_ commercial compilers like Microsoft Visual C++ and run by their runtime libraries. Without those commercial companies or their customers having to get a license to the standardized core language.
>>
>> You have to assume that during the standardization process your proposals will be changed and parts removed, others added and others would work or be written differently.
>>
>> You wrote: "waiving the patented Fornux C++ Superset to integrate it into free open source projects" <- what about commercial projects? There won`t be a C++ language for commercial projects and one for open source projects, I am sure about that.
>>
>> What I would like to integrate into the C++ standards first and foremost is a framework to allow implicit addition of class members, parameters, and scope instances, just like what the C++ Superset source-to-source compiler is doing right now.
>>
>>
>> Once the framework is in place then we can integrate the root_ptr memory manager, or other tools such as a compile-time backtrace, standard profilers, ... I am also looking to make root_ptr free for open source projects but we'll see for commercial projects as it might be similar to the Docker containers approach but it's not confirmed yet.
> I'm having a difficult time following this conversation. At the top of
> this thread, you talked about your "Fornux C++ Superset" thing, and
> you linked specifically to a page that talked very specifically about
> memory management things. You linked to discussions about Rust
> adoption. You've said many times in this thread how you want to solve
> memory management issues.
>
> And now you're saying that this proposal is only about "a framework to
> allow implicit addition of class members, parameters, and scope
> instances".
>
> Could you please nail down EXACTLY what you want to propose *before*
> saying something about it? It's very difficult to engage with your
> proposal when you are constantly dancing around saying what you
> actually want done.
>
> Give us a 3 paragraph summary of what exactly you want changed in the
> C++ standard. No links, no off-ML resources. Just state plainly the
> exact thing you want changed in the C++ standard. I'm not asking for
> standardese; I'm asking for the specific thing you want the language
> to do.
Ok thanks; I'll do that by the end of the day.
>
> Until we have that, there is nothing that we can really engage with.
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:21 PM Phil Bouchard via Std-Proposals
> <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/27/22 11:55, Sebastian Wittmeier via Std-Proposals wrote:
>>
>> Hello Phil,
>>
>> can you share the .pdf documentation of C++ superset on this list (without having to download and install the complete framework)?
>>
>> Nice of you, if you want to contribute something useful and workable.
>>
>> Thanks for your constructive comments. Here is the documentation; it works in multithreaded mode as well:
>>
>> https://fornux.com/files/pdf/Superset_Manual.pdf
>>
>>
>> (In the following I share my personal impression, how it will go. But I do not make the rules.)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to propose an extension to the Core Language, the patent landscape has to be in a way that the improved language can be still compiled or processed by open source _and_ commercial compilers like Microsoft Visual C++ and run by their runtime libraries. Without those commercial companies or their customers having to get a license to the standardized core language.
>>
>> You have to assume that during the standardization process your proposals will be changed and parts removed, others added and others would work or be written differently.
>>
>> You wrote: "waiving the patented Fornux C++ Superset to integrate it into free open source projects" <- what about commercial projects? There won`t be a C++ language for commercial projects and one for open source projects, I am sure about that.
>>
>> What I would like to integrate into the C++ standards first and foremost is a framework to allow implicit addition of class members, parameters, and scope instances, just like what the C++ Superset source-to-source compiler is doing right now.
>>
>>
>> Once the framework is in place then we can integrate the root_ptr memory manager, or other tools such as a compile-time backtrace, standard profilers, ... I am also looking to make root_ptr free for open source projects but we'll see for commercial projects as it might be similar to the Docker containers approach but it's not confirmed yet.
> I'm having a difficult time following this conversation. At the top of
> this thread, you talked about your "Fornux C++ Superset" thing, and
> you linked specifically to a page that talked very specifically about
> memory management things. You linked to discussions about Rust
> adoption. You've said many times in this thread how you want to solve
> memory management issues.
>
> And now you're saying that this proposal is only about "a framework to
> allow implicit addition of class members, parameters, and scope
> instances".
>
> Could you please nail down EXACTLY what you want to propose *before*
> saying something about it? It's very difficult to engage with your
> proposal when you are constantly dancing around saying what you
> actually want done.
>
> Give us a 3 paragraph summary of what exactly you want changed in the
> C++ standard. No links, no off-ML resources. Just state plainly the
> exact thing you want changed in the C++ standard. I'm not asking for
> standardese; I'm asking for the specific thing you want the language
> to do.
Ok thanks; I'll do that by the end of the day.
>
> Until we have that, there is nothing that we can really engage with.
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