Hey, where’s your spirit?

WL

> On Sep 19, 2022, at 8:11 PM, Jason McKesson via Std-Proposals <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 7:38 PM William Linkmeyer via Std-Proposals
> <std-proposals_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> If UFCS has no clear path to get into the standard (which, last I checked, was still a topic with good discussion and positive momentum),
>
> Um, how exactly did you "check" this? If you checked Reddit, forums,
> Twitter, and the like, I'm sure there's lots of discussion and
> "positive momentum".
>
> But you'll find far less if you check things that actually matter for
> people who attend committee meetings and vote on proposals that affect
> millions of C++ programmers. From what I can tell, since C++17 landed,
> there have been very few proposals in the direction of UFCS. The
> closest thing I could find to recent papers talking about UFCS was
> P2011, about creating a pipeline operator overload. And the pipeline
> overload is presented as a better tool for the job.
>
> And even that paper has lain fallow for 2 years.
>
> So where is the "positive momentum" in terms of actually causing it to
> get standardized?
>
>> then I’ll write a language, transliterating to C++, which is capable of supporting it.
>
> Well, good luck with that. I mean, I don't know why anybody who is
> willing to abandon their already existing C++ codebase would pick your
> language rather than any of the better developed alternatives. But one
> more for the pile, I suppose.
>
>> It’s an important feature.
>
> What is an important feature? I mean that: specifically *what* is the
> feature you're wanting here? Because nobody actually wants UFCS.
>
> What people want is a solution to some particular problem, and UFCS is
> a hypothetical solution to a *lot* of problems. Most of the time, when
> people advocate for UFCS, what they're advocating for is a solution to
> their specific problem.
>
> Notably a solution that requires as little action from themselves as
> possible, putting the burden of dealing with the consequences of UFCS
> on other people.
>
>> The lack of pattern matching and the slow-crawl to Herb’s “cppfront” syntax almost encouraged me to write such a language front-end previously.
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