On 6/18/20 3:14 PM, Alisdair Meredith via SG16 wrote:
It is not clear we would increase consensus,
as we got feedback only from those who were
concerned at the lack of emoji support.  We
don't know how many others might switch
away from their support if emoji support were
added.

I would probably switch from in favor to
against for this, as I find emoji unclear and
often misleading in communicating meaning,
although perhaps some smaller subset of the
emoji space might be clearer?

Note that I’m not saying to NOT do the work
to clarify the cost/benefit of supporting emoji,
just that it is not clear whether it will increase,
reduce, or simply change consensus.  More
information in a paper is usually helpful though.

Agreed with all of the above.

There were quite a few abstentions.  My guess is that a number of people felt undecided for other reasons.  Perhaps ambivalence due to a perception that extended characters are not used in practice, or perhaps difficulty with appreciating the impact of the change.

It is challenging to get an intuitive sense of what identifiers are in or out by comparing the list of code points in [lex.name]p1 vs the list of code points with XID_Start/XID_Continue properties listed in the paper.  Perhaps we can better compare and present how these lists differs?  Perhaps with a table illustrating included and excluded identifiers?

I think it might help increase confidence as well if we can collect more data regarding how extended characters are used in practice.

Tom.


AlisdairM

On Jun 18, 2020, at 19:55, Jens Maurer via SG16 <sg16@lists.isocpp.org> wrote:

So, it seems we would increase consensus in EWG if we
added emojis to the valid identifier characters.

That also gets us zero-width joiners (ZWJ):
https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#gender-neutral

but maybe we can limit the fall-out by allowing ZWJ
only inside of sequences of emojis, although I hate
to burden compilers with even more special rules around
the source code text (beyond NFC).

Jens
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