Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:49:37 +0100
I am oposed to the paper introducing 'L' as valid specifier for
pointers. Using it to get underscore is locale specific, and thus cannot
be used in program that want to achieve this formatting in portable way.
If digits separators is desired, the should be explored as separate
modifier, that is also applicable to integers.
For the '0' and 'P' features, I am not opposed, but also not convinced
to the usability of them.
W dniu 12.02.2022 o 16:04, Corentin via Lib-Ext pisze:
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 4:02 PM Victor Zverovich
> <victor.zverovich_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> As an option we could remove the more "controversial" locale part.
> '0' and 'P' seem OK and there were some requests for the former.
>
>
> Yes, please!
>
>
> BTW is there an implementation?
>
> - Victor
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:29 PM Victor Zverovich
> <victor.zverovich_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> I didn't say that I *like* the locale part. I agree that it's
> a bit hacky but I didn't feel strongly enough to object to the
> whole paper, just called it out.
>
> - Victor
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:28 PM Peter Dimov <pdimov_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> I now officially can't tell when Victor will like a
> <format> addition or not.
>
> Allowing locale-dependent printing of pointers in order to
> get a more
> readable representation seems a hack to me. If the user
> goal is a
> more readable pointer representation, we should be
> providing a direct
> way to obtain it, not something that abuses the
> localization mechanism
> to achieve it indirectly.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lib-Ext <lib-ext-bounces_at_[hidden]> On
> Behalf Of Victor
> > Zverovich via Lib-Ext
> >
> > +1
> >
> > (Localized formatting of pointers is slightly unorthodox
> but I see the value for
> > readability.)
> >
> > Thanks, Mark, for writing this paper.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Victor
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:41 PM Inbal Levi via Lib-Ext <lib-
> > ext_at_[hidden] <mailto:lib-ext_at_[hidden]> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello LEWG (CCing SG16),
> > With the design phase of C++23 behind us, we will
> continue to process
> > issues and minor changes targeting C++23. The majority
> of them will target
> > electronic poll directly (as is the following paper)
> >
> >
> > P2510R0 <https://wg21.link/P2510R0> : Formatting
> pointers
> >
> > By: Mark de Wever
> >
> > ***
> >
> > From the Abstract:
> > The number of formatting options for pointer types
> is limited when
> > compared to integer types. Since the formatting options
> are already
> > implemented for integer types, some of these
> restrictions seem unnecessary
> > and inconsistent. This paper aims to make formatting
> pointer types more
> > useful, reducing the need for users to write their own
> formatters or casting a
> > pointer type to an integer type.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some meta data:
> >
> > * The paper mentions two issues:
> >
> > * LWG3612
> <https://cplusplus.github.io/LWG/issue3612>
> > (voted into WD in latest plenary P2531R0
> >
> <https://wiki.edg.com/pub/Wg21virtual2022-02/StrawPolls/p2531r0.html>
> )
> >
> > * LWG3644
> <https://cplusplus.github.io/LWG/issue3644>
> > (LWG's priority 2 - important bug)
> >
> >
> > * The paper contains a Tony-table. (Section 2)
> > * The paper contains wording, as well as updates
> > `__cpp_lib_format`. (Section 4)
> > * Please vote with +1 if you support passing
> the paper to electronic
> > poll.
> > (assuming remarks which comes up in the
> thread will be
> > addressed / implemented)
> >
> > ***
> >
> >
> > Weekly reviews improve the readability of the
> standard!
> > By asking questions and sending remarks you
> indicate to the authors
> > which parts of the proposal are not clear, and by doing
> so, reduce the chances
> > of ambiguity in the final draft of the standard.
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> > Inbal Levi
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pointers. Using it to get underscore is locale specific, and thus cannot
be used in program that want to achieve this formatting in portable way.
If digits separators is desired, the should be explored as separate
modifier, that is also applicable to integers.
For the '0' and 'P' features, I am not opposed, but also not convinced
to the usability of them.
W dniu 12.02.2022 o 16:04, Corentin via Lib-Ext pisze:
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 4:02 PM Victor Zverovich
> <victor.zverovich_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> As an option we could remove the more "controversial" locale part.
> '0' and 'P' seem OK and there were some requests for the former.
>
>
> Yes, please!
>
>
> BTW is there an implementation?
>
> - Victor
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:29 PM Victor Zverovich
> <victor.zverovich_at_[hidden]> wrote:
>
> I didn't say that I *like* the locale part. I agree that it's
> a bit hacky but I didn't feel strongly enough to object to the
> whole paper, just called it out.
>
> - Victor
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:28 PM Peter Dimov <pdimov_at_[hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> I now officially can't tell when Victor will like a
> <format> addition or not.
>
> Allowing locale-dependent printing of pointers in order to
> get a more
> readable representation seems a hack to me. If the user
> goal is a
> more readable pointer representation, we should be
> providing a direct
> way to obtain it, not something that abuses the
> localization mechanism
> to achieve it indirectly.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lib-Ext <lib-ext-bounces_at_[hidden]> On
> Behalf Of Victor
> > Zverovich via Lib-Ext
> >
> > +1
> >
> > (Localized formatting of pointers is slightly unorthodox
> but I see the value for
> > readability.)
> >
> > Thanks, Mark, for writing this paper.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Victor
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:41 PM Inbal Levi via Lib-Ext <lib-
> > ext_at_[hidden] <mailto:lib-ext_at_[hidden]> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello LEWG (CCing SG16),
> > With the design phase of C++23 behind us, we will
> continue to process
> > issues and minor changes targeting C++23. The majority
> of them will target
> > electronic poll directly (as is the following paper)
> >
> >
> > P2510R0 <https://wg21.link/P2510R0> : Formatting
> pointers
> >
> > By: Mark de Wever
> >
> > ***
> >
> > From the Abstract:
> > The number of formatting options for pointer types
> is limited when
> > compared to integer types. Since the formatting options
> are already
> > implemented for integer types, some of these
> restrictions seem unnecessary
> > and inconsistent. This paper aims to make formatting
> pointer types more
> > useful, reducing the need for users to write their own
> formatters or casting a
> > pointer type to an integer type.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some meta data:
> >
> > * The paper mentions two issues:
> >
> > * LWG3612
> <https://cplusplus.github.io/LWG/issue3612>
> > (voted into WD in latest plenary P2531R0
> >
> <https://wiki.edg.com/pub/Wg21virtual2022-02/StrawPolls/p2531r0.html>
> )
> >
> > * LWG3644
> <https://cplusplus.github.io/LWG/issue3644>
> > (LWG's priority 2 - important bug)
> >
> >
> > * The paper contains a Tony-table. (Section 2)
> > * The paper contains wording, as well as updates
> > `__cpp_lib_format`. (Section 4)
> > * Please vote with +1 if you support passing
> the paper to electronic
> > poll.
> > (assuming remarks which comes up in the
> thread will be
> > addressed / implemented)
> >
> > ***
> >
> >
> > Weekly reviews improve the readability of the
> standard!
> > By asking questions and sending remarks you
> indicate to the authors
> > which parts of the proposal are not clear, and by doing
> so, reduce the chances
> > of ambiguity in the final draft of the standard.
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> > Inbal Levi
> > _______________________________________________
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