Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 19:52:09 +0100
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 19:04 Thiago Macieira via SG16 <sg16_at_[hidden]>
wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:31:00 PST Corentin Jabot via SG16 wrote:
> > Changing the global locale from en_US to fr_FR requires changing the
> > encoding too, if the encoding is not assumed to be an Unicode encoding.
>
> No, it doesn't. The encoding should be left alone since it's what other
> applications (including the terminal) use to match bytes to glyphs on
> screen.
> There are plenty of encodings that can represent all of French and
> English,
> not just UTF-8 (notably Latin1 and Latin9).
>
> If the encoding can't represent "février", you're going to get garbage on
> screen. You might see "f?vrier" or some other replacement character. So it
> behooves the operating system to choose an encoding that can represent all
> of
> the possible locales that the user may choose.
>
> > But then again, you don't get to choose the encoding when doing i/o.
> > In the case of a console, the environment detect what encoding should be
> > used.
> >
> > Which leaves us with a few choices:
> >
> > - Use UTF-8
> > - Don't use locales that are not the system locales or are not
> > representable in the environment encoding
>
> Those choices are beyond our control.
>
We are in violent agreement.
I guess I wasn't really clear, was I?
>
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> Software Architect - Intel System Software Products
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wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:31:00 PST Corentin Jabot via SG16 wrote:
> > Changing the global locale from en_US to fr_FR requires changing the
> > encoding too, if the encoding is not assumed to be an Unicode encoding.
>
> No, it doesn't. The encoding should be left alone since it's what other
> applications (including the terminal) use to match bytes to glyphs on
> screen.
> There are plenty of encodings that can represent all of French and
> English,
> not just UTF-8 (notably Latin1 and Latin9).
>
> If the encoding can't represent "février", you're going to get garbage on
> screen. You might see "f?vrier" or some other replacement character. So it
> behooves the operating system to choose an encoding that can represent all
> of
> the possible locales that the user may choose.
>
> > But then again, you don't get to choose the encoding when doing i/o.
> > In the case of a console, the environment detect what encoding should be
> > used.
> >
> > Which leaves us with a few choices:
> >
> > - Use UTF-8
> > - Don't use locales that are not the system locales or are not
> > representable in the environment encoding
>
> Those choices are beyond our control.
>
We are in violent agreement.
I guess I wasn't really clear, was I?
>
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> Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org
> Software Architect - Intel System Software Products
>
>
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