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Subject: [SG16-Unicode] DG answer to the Unicode Direction paper (P1238R0)
From: Howard Hinnant (howard.hinnant_at_[hidden])
Date: 2019-01-09 13:34:51


Below is the Directions Group’s response to P1238R0 (http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2018/p1238r0.html).

We welcome this effort. For now, we prefer to comment on general principles and direction only, rather than on technical details:

• The list of authors is suitably long. The task of formally bringing Unicode into C++ requires a breath of experience. Someone must look out for the interests of the various platforms (Linux, Windows, embedded, HPC, etc.) and the various groups of developers (OS, foundation library, end-user, etc.). We recommend trying to keep constant contact with people with current practical experiences in all of those fields. Also, Bob Steagall has done some work in this area based on his CPPCON talk; and IBM directions should be obtained from IBM representatives in the committee. Could you recruit them for this?

• §3. Direction: We feel that the scope and end goal of this work is not crystal clear: what is the goal of this SG? What is its deliverables?
        â€¢ Is it trying to unify the many wide character sets into ISO C++ or trying to add more of the varying wide character sets into ISO C++, or even something else?
        â€¢ And maybe your goal is to give feedbacks and small tweaks to all these different wide character standards and see how they can best fit in ISO C++
        â€¢ Maybe §3 could be clarified?

• §2. Guidelines: Beware of adjectives: “Avoid excessive inventiveness” and “avoid gratuitous departure from C”. These are good and necessary guidelines, but those adjectives can be awfully slippery. In particular, there is a danger of lowering the level of interfaces to the C level, causing verbosity and creating error- and security-hazards. Note: for about a decade, checking function argument in C++ was widely condemned as a gratuitous incompatibility with C.

• §4.1. We like the idea of std::text and std::text_view with more suitable interfaces than the (bloated) std::string one. We wonder how encodings will be presented to/in the type system.

• §4.1. Without saying how, we suggest that std::text and std::text_view should be usable as ranges (the Ranges TS and moved to the WP). Wherever possible, the technical issue should be resolved in favor of simple, elegant, and correct use, rather than consistency with older STL rules crafted for fixed-sized elements.

We hope you find these brief comments constructive.

DG




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